More on the law... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100423/ap_on_re_us/us_immigration_enforcement Basically it allows state authorities to do what the Feds WON'T do... Enforce the law...

Why don't they just build a wall? Eventually, a few bad police will prove all the protestors right and it will set back efforts to stop the problem.

I'm stunned that this passed. And I'm stunned that people who rail against government intrusion in their personal lives would be ok with a law that can be wildly interpreted and enforced.

What would you propose to address the problem?

On paper: must produce an ID if you are suspected of being an illegal immigrant.

 

In practice: must produce ID if you are suspected of being Hispanic.

 

It's a nasty reality of law that's tough to pin down in practice.

 

 

Yeah we have such a problem with those pesky Canadians trying to sneak in............

Yeah we have such a problem with those pesky Canadians trying to sneak in............

 

There are millions of Hispanics and those of Hispanic descent in the US. And this opens the door for profiling just about anyone who isn't white. There are more than Hispanic illegals in the US. I suspect most who feel this is a good thing fit the "profile" of a "legal".

I've read the reports on the new law and it seems to say the police have the right to arrest illegal aliens. I don't see how anyone can be against that conceptually.

 

So what's new about this? How did this "remove the handcuffs" from the police? Haven't they always been able to arrest illegals?

 

If there is something new to this law let me know what it is.

 

For example, can the police pull up to a Hispanic walking down the sidewalk in Phoenix and make him produce identification? Can they knock on his door and make him show his papers?

Yeah we have such a problem with those pesky Canadians trying to sneak in............

 

If you are legally allowed to be in this country, you should be able to walk down the street without being harassed simply because you aren't white. It's supposed to be one of the things that makes this country great...

For example, can the police pull up to a Hispanic walking down the sidewalk in Phoenix and make him produce identification? Can they knock on his door and make him show his papers?

 

The law essentially re-states the more-or-less universal principle that the police can only stop you on the street and ask for identification if they have "reasonable suspicion" that you are in violation of a law. What makes me uncomfortable is codifying that principle in such a way as to suggest that it needs to be done more frequently. My guess is that "reasonable suspicion" that someone is an illegal immigrant hinges on whether someone is hispanic and that's a problem.

The law essentially re-states the more-or-less universal principle that the police can only stop you on the street and ask for identification if they have "reasonable suspicion" that you are in violation of a law. What makes me uncomfortable is codifying that principle in such a way as to suggest that it needs to be done more frequently. My guess is that "reasonable suspicion" that someone is an illegal immigrant hinges on whether someone is hispanic and that's a problem.

 

So how can someone walking down the street look like they might be illegal?

 

Surely we're not OK with stopping someone without cause, right?

So how can someone walking down the street look like they might be illegal?

 

Surely we're not OK with stopping someone without cause, right?

 

No, and the law doesn't say that... but I feel like that's going to be the effect. And it's an effect that isn't easily remedied, given that poor people, hispanic people and even legal but foreign workers already tend to be marginalized by the judicial system.

 

SB 1070

 

I'm not 100 percent certain, but I'm pretty sure that's the bill as it was signed.

No, and the law doesn't say that... but I feel like that's going to be the effect. And it's an effect that isn't easily remedied, given that poor people, hispanic people and even legal but foreign workers already tend to be marginalized by the judicial system.

 

SB 1070

 

I'm not 100 percent certain, but I'm pretty sure that's the bill as it was signed.

 

You and I are on the same page. What exactly falls under the "reasonable suspicion" umbrella? Obviously, if I get pulled over for speeding I can be asked for ID . No problems with that.

 

This seems, though, to open up a lot of brown-skinned folk getting a speeding ticket going 56 in a 55 or a lot of "you swerved" or "you failed to use your turn signal" tickets.

 

I actually think this law is going to put police officers in a tough position.

 

I'd be curious to hear what others believe are scenarios where the "reasonable suspicion" applies.

So far, nobody has given a better answer to the problem.. Nearly a half million illegals in Ariz. alone... How do you stop it?

So, how do you tell by just looking at someone that they're illegal?

 

You ask for an ID and they cannot produce one?

We should just turn a blind eye and act like it's not a problem it's much easier that way. Unfortunatly that's the attitude half of our Country has.

You ask for an ID and they cannot produce one?

So if you're legal and you don't have you're ID on you then you're going to jail? Yeah, that won't cause any problems...