You are talking about 2 different things. A school should be a structured setting, but not to the point that teachers are allowed to hit students.

 

You're the one that said school isn't a place for discipline. There are many ways to discipline without hitting someone.

Agreed, but we are talking about 2 different kinds of discipline. Of course I encourage work ethic, self respect, respect of other, ect.......I'm simply stating that it not my job to beat your kids! If your kid acts up in my classroom, I'll simply assign him/her detention with me and that solves most of my problems with a student. If any further disipline is needed I will pick up the phone and call the parents because your the one who is responsible for how your kid acts in school and public not me!

Paddling = beating in your world? :idunno:

I remember when I was in school they not only used a paddle they also used a thing called a rattan. It was a long rod shape object made of bamboo.

 

I can tell you it is a real attention getter!

We talk about back in the day we got paddled....Well back in the day there was more accountability at home, could be why paddling was more effective. Good kids from good families do not need whipped at school to behave. Its finding out how to discipline the other half of the world that is needed.

Sad thing to say that nowadays parent's could careless if their kids are acting up and the phone call thing doesn't work as affectively. Or kids will say "my parents don't care" and you are stuck because if the parent's don't care how are you going to be able to maintain a learning environment with a disruptive student.

Sad thing to say that nowadays parent's could careless if their kids are acting up and the phone call thing doesn't work as affectively. Or kids will say "my parents don't care" and you are stuck because if the parent's don't care how are you going to be able to maintain a learning environment with a disruptive student.

 

And ultimately those parents were (likely) paddled when they were in school... So what has it really accomplished in the big picture?

Trust me, it wasn't the swats.:sssh:

 

Well, I've often wondered … :lol:

And ultimately those parents were (likely) paddled when they were in school... So what has it really accomplished in the big picture?

What works better?

And ultimately those parents were (likely) paddled when they were in school... So what has it really accomplished in the big picture?

 

Not really sure that it accomplishes anything in the big picture, but in the small picture, I would hazard a guess that paddling would cut down on the instances of classroom disruption.

 

I think it would be interesting the read the research on discipline data from paddling districts vs. non-paddling districts. I would only be in favor of paddling if it did indeed show significant improvements discipline.

What works better?

 

I went to a school that had paddling, but I was never paddled... Not because I was afraid of being paddled, just because I never felt the urge to "act out".

 

I was never spanked at home ever that I recall... Come to think of it, I don't recall being grounded or in any trouble at all other than being sent to my room for a few minutes without turning on the TV from time to time.

 

The kids I went to school with that were paddled (other than a freak occurrence from time to time) were generally repeat offenders who were paddled weekly... So what was it doing? They got to the point where they didn't care at all -- It was just another day at the office.

 

So from my experiences, I haven't seen paddling work at all. I'm not saying it doesn't, I'm just saying I haven't seen it.

I was paddled in the 4th grade for reading a library book that I had hidden inside my history book. Doesn't sound like that serious of an offense, right? But, the teacher had instructed us to read our history books...

 

Now I am amazed at the things that go on in the classroom. Calling the teacher names, insubordination, destruction of school property, fighting, etc. Bring back the paddle!!!

Now I am amazed at the things that go on in the classroom. Calling the teacher names, insubordination, destruction of school property, fighting, etc. Bring back the paddle!!!

 

I'm telling you... Paddling will do absolutely nothing to stop this stuff. Getting paddled was such a joke when I was in school... Nobody cared about it, nor did they care who did it -- Even the PE teacher who lifted weights all day long.

 

Getting sent to ISS was a much worse punishment as you just had to sit in a silent room doing your school work all day. By the time that was over, you'd usually get a few good days out of them... But paddling? Might as well not bother trying to do anything.

I was paddled in the 4th grade for reading a library book that I had hidden inside my history book. Doesn't sound like that serious of an offense, right? But, the teacher had instructed us to read our history books...

 

Now I am amazed at the things that go on in the classroom. Calling the teacher names, insubordination, destruction of school property, fighting, etc. Bring back the paddle!!!

 

Where are you guys living?????? You can't believe everything you see on TV. Today's kids are nothing like this!

 

In 10 years of teaching I've never had a student call me a name (atleast not to my face).

 

Of course teenagers are going to be insubordinate. They need direction, not a paddle to their rear end.

 

Other than the yearly senior prank (which I usually find hilarious) I can't think of any destruction of school property.

 

Knock on wood the high school I currently teach at has not had one single fight all year. Are you really going to tell me that back in the day students didn't get into fights.

 

For everyone out there that is telling me that kids today are somehow worse or more out of control than when you were young I just don't see it. I didn't see it when I taught inner city kids in Louisville, I didn't see it when I taught rural kids in Garrard and Mercer Counties, and I don't see it a Burgin. The literally thousands of kids that I have come in contact with over the past 10 years have for the most part been good respectful kids that just want to succeed.

 

Until I see these demon children that everyone is telling me about I can in NO way advocate paddling kids of any age. Maybe I'm the one living in a fantasy world. :idunno:

I went to a school that had paddling, but I was never paddled... Not because I was afraid of being paddled, just because I never felt the urge to "act out".

 

I was never spanked at home ever that I recall... Come to think of it, I don't recall being grounded or in any trouble at all other than being sent to my room for a few minutes without turning on the TV from time to time.

 

The kids I went to school with that were paddled (other than a freak occurrence from time to time) were generally repeat offenders who were paddled weekly... So what was it doing? They got to the point where they didn't care at all -- It was just another day at the office.

 

So from my experiences, I haven't seen paddling work at all. I'm not saying it doesn't, I'm just saying I haven't seen it.

You sound like you were raised right, the other people you talk about sound like they had parents that did a poor job of parenting. No discipline at home.

The teacher should make it a humiliating experience for the kids, that's what they did where I went and it worked. Now, high school was a bit different, back then a teacher bouncing you off of a locker or a smack upside of the head was very common. There are some kids that only seem to respond to a little bit of violence or at least the threat of it.

Where are you guys living?????? You can't believe everything you see on TV. Today's kids are nothing like this!

 

In 10 years of teaching I've never had a student call me a name (atleast not to my face).

 

Of course teenagers are going to be insubordinate. They need direction, not a paddle to their rear end.

 

Other than the yearly senior prank (which I usually find hilarious) I can't think of any destruction of school property.

 

Knock on wood the high school I currently teach at has not had one single fight all year. Are you really going to tell me that back in the day students didn't get into fights.

 

For everyone out there that is telling me that kids today are somehow worse or more out of control than when you were young I just don't see it. I didn't see it when I taught inner city kids in Louisville, I didn't see it when I taught rural kids in Garrard and Mercer Counties, and I don't see it a Burgin. The literally thousands of kids that I have come in contact with over the past 10 years have for the most part been good respectful kids that just want to succeed.

 

Until I see these demon children that everyone is telling me about I can in NO way advocate paddling kids of any age. Maybe I'm the one living in a fantasy world. :idunno:

I know of teachers that are flat out scared of their students in Cincy. It happens more than you think, heck I saw plenty of mouthing off to teachers when I went to school. Bad news for them was the teachers didn't put up with it, a little "physical encouragement" went a long way.