]Schools are not a place for discipline[/b]. They are places of education. Why should teachers and administrators be held responsible for raising everyone else's kids? We are only responsible for educating them.

 

Let's see, if they sleep 8 hours and are in school 7 hours, that leaves 9 hours at home. So you are saying that during the close to half of their waking hours in a day, kids should not be in a disciplinary environment? That seems sort of unrealistic.

I mean the stuff my kids get in trouble for sometimes is just stupid, This day in age we don't let kids be kids?

This explains why it is so hard to be a teacher these days.

I disagree with the assertion that kids are worse or more disrespectful than in times past. 99% of kids in any given school system are good kids that just want to succeed. Will they slip up? Of course, but I don't think paddling is the answer to that. The 1% of students that others classify as "bad" kids usually come from a home environment that would make your head spin. The last thing you would want to do to those kids is paddle them.

I think a lot of teachers would disagree. And the number of well-behaved students certainly doesn't approach anything like 99%. I think you'd find that many of the misbehavers (if not "most") are actually spoiled at home, not abused by evil parents.

Sad that we've come to this. Not you, CatsCatsCats, people that would sue over their child being paddled.

 

I agree. But the first time a student was paddled and it left a bruise, some parent would either be out for money or just too overly concerned about their child. I have no problem with paddling at school, but as a future educator I would be way too afraid to do it.

I agree. But the first time a student was paddled and it left a bruise, some parent would either be out for money or just too overly concerned about their child. I have no problem with paddling at school, but as a future educator I would be way too afraid to do it.

 

Schools are not a place for discipline. They are places of education. Why should teachers and administrators be held responsible for raising everyone else's kids? We are only responsible for educating them.

 

As a future educator, what's your take on this statement, made by a current educator? Personally I disagree with it, but I am not in the profession, so maybe I'm missing something.

Schools are not a place for discipline. They are places of education. Why should teachers and administrators be held responsible for raising everyone else's kids? We are only responsible for educating them.

 

I could not disagree with this more.

 

Discipline is one of the most important things a kid can learn at school. It will be used in their lifetime much more often than chemistry or any other subject.

Schools are not a place for discipline. They are places of education. Why should teachers and administrators be held responsible for raising everyone else's kids? We are only responsible for educating them.

 

As a future educator, what's your take on this statement, made by a current educator? Personally I disagree with it, but I am not in the profession, so maybe I'm missing something.

 

Unfortunately, in many cases, education cannot occur without appropriately discplining the students that are creating a poor learning environment for other students. So while as a former teacher, I would love to not have had to worry about discipline, it was very much a part of of my roles and responsibilities. I truly enjoyed teaching, but hated the discipline. In fact, the many discipline issues I encountered are the main reason I took a "sabbatical" from the profession.

Unfortunately, in many cases, education cannot occur without appropriately discplining the students that are creating a poor learning environment for other students. So while as a former teacher, I would love to not have had to worry about discipline, it was very much a part of of my roles and responsibilities. I truly enjoyed teaching, but hated the discipline. In fact, the many discipline issues I encountered are the main reason I took a "sabbatical" from the profession.

 

Even the best of kids need some direction now and then outside of their home environment. I would hope that the kids would recieve some sort of mentorship from the adults that they are spending a great deal of their early lives with. As I stated earlier, I am not an educator, however I have spent some time coaching middle school basketball. I sincerely hope my players look back at our time together as one that hopefully they learned more than the pick and roll.

Even the best of kids need some direction now and then outside of their home environment. I would hope that the kids would recieve some sort of mentorship from the adults that they are spending a great deal of their early lives with. As I stated earlier, I am not an educator, however I have spent some time coaching middle school basketball. I sincerely hope my players look back at our time together as one that hopefully they learned more than the pick and roll.

 

Ha! No doubt. I coach as well, and I firmly believe that my responsiblities as a coach are far more reaching than simply putting "W's" in the win column. Obviously, minor discipline issues are a part of classroom management and therefore are to be expected when teaching. While discipline was definitely not my favorite part of classroom management, I didn't really have any problems controlling minor incidents such as note passing, talking out of turn, etc. The major issues that truly created a disrupted learning environment are the types of discipline scenarios I became completely fed up with.

I could not disagree with this more.

 

Discipline is one of the most important things a kid can learn at school. It will be used in their lifetime much more often than chemistry or any other subject.

 

Agreed, but we are talking about 2 different kinds of discipline. Of course I encourage work ethic, self respect, respect of other, ect.......I'm simply stating that it not my job to beat your kids! If your kid acts up in my classroom, I'll simply assign him/her detention with me and that solves most of my problems with a student. If any further disipline is needed I will pick up the phone and call the parents because your the one who is responsible for how your kid acts in school and public not me!

I think a lot of teachers would disagree. And the number of well-behaved students certainly doesn't approach anything like 99%. I think you'd find that many of the misbehavers (if not "most") are actually spoiled at home, not abused by evil parents.

 

Then I guess over my 10 year career as an educator I'm the only teacher that is getting the "good" kids?

Let's see, if they sleep 8 hours and are in school 7 hours, that leaves 9 hours at home. So you are saying that during the close to half of their waking hours in a day, kids should not be in a disciplinary environment? That seems sort of unrealistic.

 

You are talking about 2 different things. A school should be a structured setting, but not to the point that teachers are allowed to hit students.

Agreed, but we are talking about 2 different kinds of discipline. Of course I encourage work ethic, self respect, respect of other, ect.......I'm simply stating that it not my job to beat your kids! If your kid acts up in my classroom, I'll simply assign him/her detention with me and that solves most of my problems with a student. If any further disipline is needed I will pick up the phone and call the parents because your the one who is responsible for how your kid acts in school and public not me!

 

I agree with this mindset 100%.

I got paddled in school, a lot. At one point, I held the record for most in a school year. I turned out pretty messed up.

 

Whether I'm messed up because of the swats is open for debate.

Trust me, it wasn't the swats.:sssh:

I have to agree with Bulldog's posts. We had paddling in our school back in the stone ages, but it was rarely used. That is because one phone call from the teacher to the parent would have resulted in enough trouble at home. Our parents didnt make excuses for us or whine that the school didnt understand how to teach us.

 

Discipline should start and end at home.

 

Like Bulldog said, the kids who are the most trouble come from the worst homes usually. Not sure paddling is going to help that.