AAhh but you forget the other half which of course makes you even angrier in that they are at least attempting to offset some of the spending with new revenue (taxes). Which to me, if you are going to spend, at least try to raise the money instead of assuming it will come in when you cut taxes.

 

So show me where the dems are raising 20 trillion? Nice try though.

So show me where the dems are raising 20 trillion? Nice try though.

 

CBO says it is going to reduce the deficit. Must be raisining revenue somewhere.

CBO says it is going to reduce the deficit. Must be raisining revenue somewhere.

 

Believe that one if you will.

Believe that one if you will.

 

Why not?

CBO says it is going to reduce the deficit. Must be raisining revenue somewhere.

The CBO is required to take written legislation at face value and not second-guess the plausibility of what it is handed. To operate the new programs over the first 10 years, future Congresses would need to vote for $114 billion in additional annual spending. How in the world can anyone guarantee how future Congresses will vote?

You sound like Saul Alinsky.

 

Glenn Beck would be proud of you. Although, I am not sure what to take from your comment. You are probably trying to infer I am a lefty radical like Alinsky, but I am not. Or perhaps you align me with the righty radicals or the Tea Party movement, which is a big proponent of Alinsky's tactics - but alas I am not a Tea Party person either. I am an independent thinker who studies issues and makes up his own mind. On this issue, I am 100% in favor of the health care bill.

Glenn Beck would be proud of you. Although, I am not sure what to take from your comment. You are probably trying to infer I am a lefty radical like Alinsky, but I am not. Or perhaps you align me with the righty radicals or the Tea Party movement, which is a big proponent of Alinsky's tactics - but alas I am not a Tea Party person either. I am an independent thinker who studies issues and makes up his own mind. On this issue, I am 100% in favor of the health care bill.

 

I also am an independent thinker and I'm 100% opposed to this piece of trash bill. Of course, you've already dismissed those who oppose it as not being capable of intelligent thought, so....:idunno:

I also am an independent thinker and I'm 100% opposed to this piece of trash bill. Of course, you've already dismissed those who oppose it as not being capable of intelligent thought, so....:idunno:

Didn't you know you could only be an independent thinker as long as your thinking is inline with his.

I also am an independent thinker and I'm 100% opposed to this piece of trash bill. Of course, you've already dismissed those who oppose it as not being capable of intelligent thought, so....:idunno:

 

Where did I dismiss anyone in such terms? I am always willing to listen to the opinions of others. So why are you so opposed to the bill?

Didn't you know you could only be an independent thinker as long as your thinking is inline with his.

 

 

Not fair at all.

 

How many times have conservative posters blasted those not as conservative as not understanding the issue, or drinking the Kool-Aid, or some other such nonsense?

 

The fact of the matter is that it is possible to look at an issue, and draw a different conclusion than another. That is a fact. It's not hyperbole, it's not naive, it's not a party-line comment.

Where did I dismiss anyone in such terms? I am always willing to listen to the opinions of others. So why are you so opposed to the bill?

I just read through this thread and I have to say this is the most intelligent political discussion I have seen in perhaps forever (excluding post #38). I think anyone who reads this thread and still thinks the health care bill is bad just isn't open to reasonable thought.

 

Yes, I am very happy with Obama. In the face of one of the most heated, negative battles we have ever seen, he was able to accomplish what almost every president since Teddy Roosevelt sought - health care reform. He overcame Republican roadblocks at every turn, non-stop bashing by the radical right media and misled Americans in the Tea Party movement to make good on one of his primary campaign promises. The American people elected Obama in large part because of his promise for health care reform. I applaud him for being able to make that promise come true.

 

On the bi-partisan front, Obama is making every effort within reason to reach out to Republicans and engage in dialogue and compromise, but his offers are met with derision. If you are a Republican, you need to get control over your party back. You have lost your way and are in danger of becoming exactly what the Dems are labeling you as - the party of NO.

 

When Bush invaded Iraq, I had no doubt and told many that we would be there for years. Republicans led by VP Cheney promised we would be out in a couple of years. I was right then and I will make another prediction now. This health care bill will come to be praised by the vast majority and will be a cornerstone in Obama's re-election. I also predict this bill and how it was handled by both parties will be decisive in this fall's elections but not like Republicans believe today - it will be decisively against the current party of NO and in favor of Democrats who finally showed us all that Congress is capable of action with the right leadership.

 

Yes, I am very happy with Obama! I can't wait to see him in action with health care behind him as he gets totally focused on the economy and jobs. If anything can happen to help there, he will make it happen.

I couldn't begin to imgine where UKMF came up with that. :sssh:

I couldn't begin to imgine where UKMF came up with that. :sssh:

 

:thumb:

Not fair at all.

 

How many times have conservative posters blasted those not as conservative as not understanding the issue, or drinking the Kool-Aid, or some other such nonsense?

 

The fact of the matter is that it is possible to look at an issue, and draw a different conclusion than another. That is a fact. It's not hyperbole, it's not naive, it's not a party-line comment.

See above post.

I couldn't begin to imgine where UKMF came up with that. :sssh:

 

:lol: Good one. So maybe I came on too strong with that comment. I just thought there were many stories shared above that post that clearly demonstrated how our current system is failing people. Stories that I am sure are very common across the nation. The system needs to be fixed. I think this bill is a great step toward fixing many of the problems. But I assure you, I am all ears. Tell me some good reasons not already debated why you oppose the bill. What are you afraid of?

:lol: Good one. So maybe I came on too strong with that comment. I just thought there were many stories shared above that post that clearly demonstrated how our current system is failing people. Stories that I am sure are very common across the nation. The system needs to be fixed. I think this bill is a great step toward fixing many of the problems. But I assure you, I am all ears. Tell me some good reasons not already debated why you oppose the bill. What are you afraid of?

Diminishing care, rising costs, longer waits, losing doctors, bankrupting the country, government completely taking over health (which I believe is the long term goal of this administration), taxes going through the roof, 2400 pages of a bill that I guarantee wasn't read by any of the people who voted for it, 16,000 new jobs and a $1 billion dollar budget increase to the IRS, increasing the size of our already oversized federal government, forcing/requiring it's citizens to purchase a product...what's next everyone has to buy a GM. I can probably think of some more but it's been a long day.

 

I am not scared of reform if it's a program that makes sense. Government control fixes very little if anything at all. Look at all of the current government run programs. They are all broken and broke.