Oh cry me a river! You don't see football officials responding to screams from the crowd so why should the basket officials? They're paid to do a job and if they don't like the pay; then get another job! Good or bad officiating, they should never allow the fans to interpret how they call the game. If I pay to see a game (and officials are part of the game) and I don't like a call, I'll be more than happy to say so. A good official is one that has a thick skin and controls the game itself, not the fans. So learn to take the harsh and obnoxious criticism and continue calling your game whether you're good at it or not.JMO

I agree basketball officals shouldn't respond to the crowd it just adds fuel to the fire, but I disagree about the football officals they are usually so far away from the crowd there is no way for them to hear whats being said. If someone on the sidelines is screaming personal things they get moved. Basketball on the other hand, the crowd is right on top of the officals. Thick skin I would think is a must for a basketball ref.

I've seen it happen. My wife got called out onto the floor during my son's middle school game. He gave her his whistle and sat down in the bleachers. Unfortunately, no video.

:jump: I always wanted to see that happen, did she do better than the ref. or did she come away with a new point of view? Good stuff.

:jump: I always wanted to see that happen, did she do better than the ref. or did she come away with a new point of view? Good stuff.

 

 

So have i that's so funny, but i bet she didn't do any better and hopefully she now see's what an official goes through just wish the fan's and coaches let her have it.:ylsuper:

The good referee does need to have a thick skin and concentrate on the game but many fans tend to believe because they paid to get in they have the right to abuse the refs. The refs also have the right to have the fan removed and send their butt to the parking lot. I have actually seen the crowd applaud when some clown is escorted out of the building. Thankfully this is rare and most of the time everything works out.

WOW:confused: As Coaches how do they feel about this practice from that official or officials?

Man that is just wrong..I would hope you called the assignor and told him this was happening.

 

Some coaches feel like they can say sure I'll take care of you and it may get them a few calls down the road, so they say nothing about it and hope it helps them out, I myself tell them if I feel they have had a good year from what I've seen and tell them I will give them an honest rating.

And as for the assignor, I have heard from others that he used to be one of the guys that used to talk to a lot of coaches when he used to call games too about ratings, so what are you gonna say if you talk to him about it. Our rating system is terrible and don't know what they can do to fix it. It's a good old boy system, if you are buddy buddy with all the coaches and give them a few calls, it doesn't matter how you call, you get their top rating, totally unfair to the good, honest referees, but everything else in this world is political, so why wouldn't this be too. :isurrender:

I say yes and no to this question. Can you do that?

Yes - I officiated AAU youth basketball for 5 years and I was amazed by the reaction of some parents. They really thought we would cheat. Now I coach and it has given me a different view of referees. I talk to my parents about their behavior towards the refs. They don't always listen though. If only everyone had the experience of officiating I think there would be an entire different treatment towards them. Officating is tough and it takes a tough person to put up with the ridicule.

 

No - You just want the officials to admit mistakes and the ones that do really learn to become better refs. I have had officials that have come over at half times or timeouts that give you an explanation or admition to a blown call. I have a lot of respect for those guys. But the guys that seem put out to be there you can see they do not get themselves in good situations. Those refs owe it to the players to give it their impartial and undivided intentions with no past influences coming into the game. They should pretend that they never seen either team so they can be impartial. Isn't that why they do that for playoffs. Impartial is critial.

I agree with the folks who said we would like consistent calls being made, and I wish this was accross regions. I primarily watch the 11th, 12th, and 13th regions. The 11th and 13th both let you play a much more agressive style of defense. And that is fine as long as both team are allowed to play in that manner. In the 12th region they appear not to allow you to play an agressive in your face defense. Teams from that region appear to go into games looking for fouls that they don't get when they play outside.

the 12th.

 

I don't think with most the question is about them being good or bad, they all just need to as consistent as possible in how they call the game...

They get paid, and there are no repurcussions for their mistakes - no matter how big or small a mistake is made. The majority are shallow and weak. They listen to coaches and fans gripe about something, whether it's legitimate or not, and then they call it because they think it pleases someone. They go into games with a bias about who is supposed to win and lose. They talk about players and what they are going to do before the game is even played. They talk about how they don't like a coach or team before the game even starts. They worry too much about make up calls instead of calling the game fair. They worry about ratings and whether their assigner is at the game to watch them. The reason I know this is because I used to be a high school referee, and all of this stuff made me sick. No, we are not too hard on officials.

Gee, let us know what you really think. Just guessing, but you probably didn't last long. "The majority are shallow and weak?" Come out from behind your protective icon and say this at an official's meeting.

As long as coaches in the state of KY have more control over rating an official than their own assigner has how could you expect anything more than an average job?

 

Is this a point we will just continue to ignore?

Gee, let us know what you really think. Just guessing, but you probably didn't last long. "The majority are shallow and weak?" Come out from behind your protective icon and say this at an official's meeting.

 

Great Post :thumb:

I bet if you ask most refs they will say that fans and coaches are not too hard on them. Yes, they will say they get yelled at by fans and screamed at occasionally by coaches but to most refs it really isn't that big of a deal. Refs realize that fans are passionate especially about their own blood and they also realize that many fans and coaches simply do not have the time nor desire to fully understand basketball rules. Therefore, if a fan is yelling that a ref missed a walk and the ref knows that the fan doesn't know the part of the rule about control then he/she really doesn't let it bother them. If a coach questions a call rather vociferously, again, no biggie. I'd question it to if I was a coach.

 

As long as its a)not personal and b)doesn't threaten the safety of an official most good officials let it roll off their back.

 

While I agree with some of your post, the part where you said refs know that many fans & coaches might not understand the rules I don't agree with. I can honestly say that there is probably a large number of fans & coaches who know the rules better than a lot of refs especially the newer ones.

While I agree with some of your post, the part where you said refs know that many fans & coaches might not understand the rules I don't agree with. I can honestly say that there is probably a large number of fans & coaches who know the rules better than a lot of refs especially the newer ones.

 

I must Have to disagree with you on this one.:idunno:

 

Way Too Many Coaches today do NOT know the rules..

Not saying the refs do either..

 

I think the coaches should have to take the rules test just like the officials.

I think they would quit yelling as much then.:thumb:

While I agree with some of your post, the part where you said refs know that many fans & coaches might not understand the rules I don't agree with. I can honestly say that there is probably a large number of fans & coaches who know the rules better than a lot of refs especially the newer ones.

 

No way. Some, yes. Not a "large number."

I must Have to disagree with you on this one.:idunno:

 

Way Too Many Coaches today do NOT know the rules..

Not saying the refs do either..

 

I think the coaches should have to take the rules test just like the officials.

I think they would quit yelling as much then.:thumb:

 

I don't think the coaches should have to take the test. Heck, coaching itself takes enough time. However, it would benefit them if they did have the gumption or time to do it.

 

I can tell you that Ryle's coach makes a strong effort. He pulled me aside during a scrimmage once and asked why I quit my 3-second count when the ball went into the post player in the lane. I explained the rule to him and he was appreciative. I also know he had a ref spend time with his team prior to a scrimmage and explain rules.

I don't think the coaches should have to take the test. Heck, coaching itself takes enough time. However, it would benefit them if they did have the gumption or time to do it.

 

I can tell you that Ryle's coach makes a strong effort. He pulled me aside during a scrimmage once and asked why I quit my 3-second count when the ball went into the post player in the lane. I explained the rule to him and he was appreciative. I also know he had a ref spend time with his team prior to a scrimmage and explain rules.

 

Clyde Sounds like the Coach from Ryle does make an effort.

If more coaches would do this it would make it easier on them and the Officials.