No.

The only time Owsley County and University Heights has played was in the 1990 All A championship game at Memorial.

 

I guess it was kind of a rhetorical question at that. I would have guessed that their only meeting(s) would have been in the All-A.

No.

The only time Owsley County and University Heights has played was in the 1990 All A championship game at Memorial.

 

 

Wow! Really?! And so this is an issue because............???????

If the numbers listed in this thread are correct, I think Owsley is about 4X bigger than UHA. That's one heck of an advantage for Owsley. :sssh:

 

 

But that's ok....because they're a public school

Wow! Really?! And so this is an issue because............???????

:idunno:

Wow! Really?! And so this is an issue because............???????

 

Prof wasn't really griping about it; Conductor was. Maybe Conductor falls into the category of public school supporters who feel that all private schools cheat and should be kicked out of the KHSAA, but ignores the fact that plenty of shady stuff goes on at the public schools as well?

 

But who knows? :idunno:

I wish the All A organizers would have found a different name for it way back when, because a large group of folks have never been able to look past the name and the perceived association with football classes, and instead view it as just an invitational tournament. A really big invitational tourney, but an invitational nonetheless.

 

Not that it really matters, but the All "A" Classic did use the KHSAA football numbers when the tournament started in 1990.

 

I think the All "A" Classic has expanded a little too much, but I still like the tournament a lot and believe it's very good for small schools in Kentucky.

Prof wasn't really griping about it; Conductor was. Maybe Conductor falls into the category of public school supporters who feel that all private schools cheat and should be kicked out of the KHSAA, but ignores the fact that plenty of shady stuff goes on at the public schools as well?

 

But who knows? :idunno:

 

 

it's not so much that private schools cheat more than public schools,. I actually think think it might be the opposite. I used Owsley as an example because they are in a very remote area, little or no transient population. They know what they have coming and whether they are going to be able to compete for the next 3 years or not...Most small publich schools are less than wealthy. Their kids are much less than wealthy. In places like Owsley or any other rural area, there is no private school choice even if the kids could afford it. Publics have a million rules and policies to follow that usually have nothing to do with sports that greatly hinder their ability to compete in sports...

 

who can explain that UHA has and enrollment of 60 + students and has won the championship 10 times? GREAT coaching? Great run of material?

It is an Unfair advantage...

 

This thread was not to begin another private vs public debate. I had simply hoped the All A would offer some of these small public schools a chance. UHA can compete in the regular 2nd regional tournament every year

Not that it really matters, but the All "A" Classic did use the KHSAA football numbers when the tournament started in 1990.

 

I think the All "A" Classic has expanded a little too much, but I still like the tournament a lot and believe it's very good for small schools in Kentucky.

 

I tend agree with you about expansion, but if they go much smaller some regions would struggle to hold a tournament. The 12th comes to mind - they would lose Danville and Somerset and the "region" would be Burgin vs. Monticello in a one-game, winner-take-all.

 

If they were to shrink the tournament, they would likely have to realign the regions into sixteen equal groups. That isn't happening, because the schools from a certain region want to win the All "A" in that particular region. Does any of this make sense?!

it's not so much that private schools cheat more than public schools,. I actually think think it might be the opposite. I used Owsley as an example because they are in a very remote area, little or no transient population. They know what they have coming and whether they are going to be able to compete for the next 3 years or not...Most small publich schools are less than wealthy. Their kids are much less than wealthy. In places like Owsley or any other rural area, there is no private school choice even if the kids could afford it. Publics have a million rules and policies to follow that usually have nothing to do with sports that greatly hinder their ability to compete in sports...

 

who can explain that UHA has and enrollment of 60 + students and has won the championship 10 times? GREAT coaching? Great run of material?

It is an Unfair advantage...

 

This thread was not to begin another private vs public debate. I had simply hoped the All A would offer some of these small public schools a chance. UHA can compete in the regular 2nd regional tournament every year

 

So it's UHA's fault that Owsley County is in a remote area? And that public schools self-impose rules that private schools don't have to? :confused:

 

UHA may have been busted for shady stuff before, but I'd be willing to bet that nowadays Christian Co. and Hopkinsville are keeping a close eye on them, as I bet UHA is keeping their eye on their larger neighbors.

 

Who knows what reasons people choose for sending their kids to a private school? I do think it's safe to say that the fact that UHA is traditionally one of the stronger basketball schools in their region, regardless of size, and that they have a track record of sending kids off to D-I schools helps make them more attractive to parents/kids in the Hop-town area when it comes time to choose where Little Johnny enrolls.

 

They have had some very good coaches, and that's a factor. Plus, the private school culture places a lot more emphasis on sports than what you see at many public schools. And, success breeds success.

 

And let's not act like public schools having success at the All A is a foreign concept. Schools such as Bardstown, Shelby Valley, Harlan, Somerset, Glasgow and others have done quite well for themselves at the All A.

 

The idea of a level playing field for all schools is a myth, simple as that. Socioeconomic and demographic factors are to blame for this. There's no rule that says each school shall be assigned a D-I player, three NAIA-caliber kids and front lines of 6'7, 6'5 and 6'4. The system isn't perfect, but it's as level a playing field as it can possibly get, under the circumstances.

I tend agree with you about expansion, but if they go much smaller some regions would struggle to hold a tournament. The 12th comes to mind - they would lose Danville and Somerset and the "region" would be Burgin vs. Monticello in a one-game, winner-take-all.

 

If they were to shrink the tournament, they would likely have to realign the regions into sixteen equal groups. That isn't happening, because the schools from a certain region want to win the All "A" in that particular region. Does any of this make sense?!

 

 

Westsider talked about realigning, but I like keeping the traditional regions for the All "A", even if a region only has three or four teams. If a school is in a region with that many big schools, they deserve a break in getting to the All "A."

it's not so much that private schools cheat more than public schools,. I actually think think it might be the opposite. I used Owsley as an example because they are in a very remote area, little or no transient population. They know what they have coming and whether they are going to be able to compete for the next 3 years or not...Most small publich schools are less than wealthy. Their kids are much less than wealthy. In places like Owsley or any other rural area, there is no private school choice even if the kids could afford it. Publics have a million rules and policies to follow that usually have nothing to do with sports that greatly hinder their ability to compete in sports...

 

who can explain that UHA has and enrollment of 60 + students and has won the championship 10 times? GREAT coaching? Great run of material?

It is an Unfair advantage...

 

This thread was not to begin another private vs public debate. I had simply hoped the All A would offer some of these small public schools a chance. UHA can compete in the regular 2nd regional tournament every year

 

Not sure what "rules" you're talking about that would hinder a public school in athletic competition--From my experience its actually been the opposite? I sat and watched some of the private schools I follow play short-handed many times due to very stringent academic rules (which I happen to agree with), often against publics with kids failing several classes and still in the lineup?

 

As far as UHA goes, along with a tradition that I'm sure attracts players in their area; I believe they've had a large number of transfers and foreign exchange students in their lineups over the years. If I'm not mistaken, the KHSAA now limits schools to one exchange student now, but I could be wrong on that one.

it's not so much that private schools cheat more than public schools,. I actually think think it might be the opposite. I used Owsley as an example because they are in a very remote area, little or no transient population. They know what they have coming and whether they are going to be able to compete for the next 3 years or not...Most small publich schools are less than wealthy. Their kids are much less than wealthy. In places like Owsley or any other rural area, there is no private school choice even if the kids could afford it. Publics have a million rules and policies to follow that usually have nothing to do with sports that greatly hinder their ability to compete in sports...

 

who can explain that UHA has and enrollment of 60 + students and has won the championship 10 times? GREAT coaching? Great run of material?

It is an Unfair advantage...

 

This thread was not to begin another private vs public debate. I had simply hoped the All A would offer some of these small public schools a chance. UHA can compete in the regular 2nd regional tournament every year

 

You do realize that two Private Schools help start the All "A" don't you?

 

I honestly, after reading you thoughts, think you are more upset by a Urban vs. a Rural ALL "A" tourney? Am I correct?

 

BTW we need to put an end to the myth of kids (or their parents who send their kids) who attend Private (Catholic) Schools are all rich. Trust me, it is far, far from the truth!

 

BTW I can name two small public shcool in NKy that are far from being poor!

Beechwood and Walton Verona.