And you have no idea how old I am. How is that relevant anyhow?

 

Actually, not that it has anything to do with anything, but I think even I know you're "fairly" young. You must have posted something along the way at some point that clued in your (relative) age.

Actually, not that it has anything to do with anything, but I think even I know you're "fairly" young. You must have posted something along the way at some point that clued in your (relative) age.

 

:lol: I probably did. I've met RTS before too, he could probably eyeball it.

As a white guy, I find that offensive. I couldn't care less about how dark or light skinned a man or woman is, I care what they stand for.

As do I but that doesn't mean the statement doesn't have merit.

A good article on the matter:

 

Skin color among African Americans is not to be discussed in polite company, so Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's newly disclosed remark about President Obama -- that voters are more comfortable with him because he's light-skinned -- offended decorum. But it was surely true.

 

Color bias has always existed in this country. We don't talk about it because we think of color as subordinate to racial identification. There are African Americans with skin so light-hued that only contextual clues speak to the question of race. I remember once looking up some distant cousins on my father's side. They were so fair of hair and ruddy of cheek that I thought I'd gone to the wrong house, until one of them greeted me in what I guess Reid would call "Negro dialect."

 

Harry Reid's comments were crudely put, yet true

You're explanation doesn't make sense. Of course there is a need for elaboration.

Point was, his comment should have sufficed.

 

 

 

Not even close. What are you reading? I mean, he's praising Obama's electability.

Uh huh, and demeaning both whites and blacks in the process.

 

 

 

This has nothing to do with an isolated group of racists, which I'm not talking about. It has to do with societal and institutional factors that affect race. Even good-hearted, upstanding persons subconsciously consider race. As an anecdote, a recent study showed that resumes sent to firms with black sounding names were 50% less likely to receive a call back than identical resumes with white sounding names. And it's a fairly intuitive result and doesn't mean these companies have racist HR departments either. The fact that you can't grasp that, or blatantly deny it, explains a lot.

You can't seem to grasp that not giving a call back because their name sounds black IS racist, perhaps they're not the nice good hearted people you're thinking they are. I honestly don't see any other way to view it, I'm rather surprised that you do.

 

 

 

Is this a serious question? Do you really not know this? Have you ever heard of code-switching? I'm baffled.

Quite familiar with it, we all remember Hillary while in the South, no? So again, with Reid that's only done by the African-American race? I've never heard him speak such things about Southerners that switch back and forth on their dialect.... You?

 

 

 

Probably because they are politicians trying to help one of their ilk sweep one under the rug.

But, if there was nothing wrong in his comments, what's there to sweep under the rug? I don't know about you but if someone apologizes to me and I see no reason to apologize, I don't accept it, I tell them there's nothing to apologize for.

 

 

 

If I'm wrong I'll admit I'm wrong. Your arguments in this thread, when you've chosen to make one instead of hurling rhetoric, have been anything but persuasive. I really think you're the only person not on a Republican payroll who believes it. And I don't think they even believe it.

:lol: Funny how a different opinion than yours is rhetoric, not persuasive and partisan. That's being quite full of ones self.

His remarks reinforce the notion that only those black Americans who look and talk like stodgy white males are acceptable for positions of power. It’s subtle, but it runs deep.

Clearly, there is a double standard. When a Democrat makes a racially insensitive remark, the party, a collection of sympathetic commentators and the Kool-Aid drinkers easily accept their apology and moves on.

Reid is saying the country and white people are racist (not just a portion, he made a blanket statement), and will only possibly vote for light skinned blacks who speak like them.

Not only is Reid getting a pass from those on his side of the aisle, but are praising him for speaking "honestly", what a joke. Thankfully he's given the voters of Nevada one more reason to oust him.

Are Reid’s comments really less offensive than shouting “you lie” to the President during his address to Congress? Do you think we’ll see a similar effort from principled Democrats to censure Mr. Reid any time in the near future? Me neither.

 

 

 

 

Why would any person's opinion matter to me? There is no argument there. No facts. Just partisanship.

I've Googled and have seen plenty of people on both sides of this issue. That means some agree with you and some with me. I've found black and white that found it offensive and some found it racist. But I guess none of that matters since you have deemed it nonfactual and partisan. I guess those people should have checked with you first.

 

 

 

I don't claim to be the "only" person to think anything. I'm certainly in good company on this one. I challenge you to find anything I've said I haven't supported with a logical argument. You aren't even trying to prove me wrong you're just insulting me. It's a joke.

Not insulting you, just pointing out that you don't speak for the country. Claiming your opinion is right is not a logical argument, nor is it factual. Like mine, it's just your opinion and you don't corner the market on opinions.

 

 

 

I don't like them but I'm not an idiot. I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone on this forum who would say I'm unfair or partisan.

I maintain that, in my opinion, you'd be singing a different tune. No one is calling you an idiot.

Edited January 13, 201016 yr by Run To State

I think you've been fairly condescending since the beginning of this. But that is neither here nor there. It's not my nature to by surly but I've never felt like I was in an honest debate here. I apologize to any other posters turned off by my browbeating here. But, I've said about all there is to say on this subject. I don't think it could be more straightforward.

 

And you have no idea how old I am. How is that relevant anyhow?

A bit sarcastic perhaps, but I wouldn’t say condescending. You can browbeat all you want, I'm not offended by it.

I gave my honest opinion of what I thought about the comment, unless you weren't being forthright, I don't know why you didn't feel like you were in an honest debate about it but, whatever.

 

I've met you, I know roughly how old you are. Don't take offense, I just know that one mellows with age. And yes, I've mellowed, you should have seen me when I was your age. :lol:

:lol: I probably did. I've met RTS before too, he could probably eyeball it.

So, you do remember.

:lol: Funny how a different opinion than yours is rhetoric, not persuasive and partisan. That's being quite full of ones self.

His remarks reinforce the notion that only those black Americans who look and talk like stodgy white males are acceptable for positions of power. It’s subtle, but it runs deep.

Clearly, there is a double standard. When a Democrat makes a racially insensitive remark, the party, a collection of sympathetic commentators and the Kool-Aid drinkers easily accept their apology and moves on.

Reid is saying the country and white people are racist (not just a portion, he made a blanket statement), and will only possibly vote for light skinned blacks who speak like them.

Not only is Reid getting a pass from those on his side of the aisle, but are praising him for speaking "honestly", what a joke. Thankfully he's given the voters of Nevada one more reason to oust him.

Are Reid’s comments really less offensive than shouting “you lie” to the President during his address to Congress? Do you think we’ll see a similar effort from principled Democrats to censure Mr. Reid any time in the near future? Me neither.

 

Let me ask you something, though, RTS. And, trust me, I'm as Republican as they come and as anti-Reid/Pelosi/Frank/etc.... as they come.

 

Is simply making a comment that people are racist (obviously he didn't say that - I'm using your words) with respect to not voting for a dark-skinned, Negro dialect black man in and and of itself a racist remark? Let's be honest - while it may not apply to you or me or a lot of other people, it is a reasonably accurate assessment of the country as a whole. At least IMO.

 

I really just don't see the remark as racist. It's wrong as applied to me. It's wrong as applied to you. While I didn't find it personally offensive, it's reasonable that some people would. There was no purpose in making the remark and it was better left unsaid. But I just don't think it reached the "racist" category.

Let me ask you something, though, RTS. And, trust me, I'm as Republican as they come and as anti-Reid/Pelosi/Frank/etc.... as they come.

 

Is simply making a comment that people are racist (obviously he didn't say that - I'm using your words) with respect to not voting for a dark-skinned, Negro dialect black man in and and of itself a racist remark? Let's be honest - while it may not apply to you or me or a lot of other people, it is a reasonably accurate assessment of the country as a whole. At least IMO.

 

I really just don't see the remark as racist. It's wrong as applied to me. It's wrong as applied to you. While I didn't find it personally offensive, it's reasonable that some people would. There was no purpose in making the remark and it was better left unsaid. But I just don't think it reached the "racist" category.

 

Thank you. You have restored my faith that rational, non-partisan thinking can exist in P/R. :thumb:

Thank you. You have restored my faith that rational, non-partisan thinking can exist in P/R. :thumb:

 

Well, thanks, but I won't lie. For the most part, I'm pretty darn partisan towards Republicans! :lol:

I think out of respect to Senator Reid all further post in this thread should be written in "negro dialect".

 

Don't forget this classic from the VP

 

http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/08/23/joe-biden-the-articulate-and-clean-mans-choice/

 

Peace out!

Let me ask you something, though, RTS. And, trust me, I'm as Republican as they come and as anti-Reid/Pelosi/Frank/etc.... as they come.

 

Is simply making a comment that people are racist (obviously he didn't say that - I'm using your words) with respect to not voting for a dark-skinned, Negro dialect black man in and and of itself a racist remark? Let's be honest - while it may not apply to you or me or a lot of other people, it is a reasonably accurate assessment of the country as a whole. At least IMO.

 

I really just don't see the remark as racist. It's wrong as applied to me. It's wrong as applied to you. While I didn't find it personally offensive, it's reasonable that some people would. There was no purpose in making the remark and it was better left unsaid. But I just don't think it reached the "racist" category.

The whole point of all this, on my behalf, is the double standard. Was "You lie" racist? It sure was labeled just that by many in the media and those on the left.

 

Remember this one?

Limbaugh: "I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They're interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think there's a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."

 

Is that any worse than what Reid said?

 

You can't have it both ways, but the left continues to try.

The whole point of all this, on my behalf, is the double standard. Was "You lie" racist? It sure was labeled just that by many in the media and those on the left.

 

Remember this one?

Limbaugh: "I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They're interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think there's a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."

 

Is that any worse than what Reid said?

 

You can't have it both ways, but the left continues to try.

 

 

Surely you know by now that football commentators are held to a higher standard than United States Senators.

Is Reid the guy Obama and the Dems want representing their party since he made racist comments about Obama?

 

Is it hypocritical of them in light of the whole Trent Lott ordeal?

 

I'd love to get some straight, honest answers on these two questions.

 

First, your assumption is wrong. The statement was not racist. It may have been poorly stated but it was also accurate. Second, equating Red's statement with Lott's is rediculous. Reid offered abit of analysis in support of Senator Obama. Lott said the country would have been better off if the segrationist candidate running on a segregationist ticket had won. Reid's comments were offered in private and while offered in a way that many would find insensitive and even offensive were accurate and supportive. Lott's comments were in public, so wrong as to be foolish and expressed a longing for the good old days of segregation. The hypocracy in this situation is from thos e who complain about political correctness and then try to hang someone in a situation where it isn't called for.

The whole point of all this, on my behalf, is the double standard. Was "You lie" racist? It sure was labeled just that by many in the media and those on the left.

 

Remember this one?

Limbaugh: "I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They're interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think there's a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."

 

Is that any worse than what Reid said?

 

You can't have it both ways, but the left continues to try.

 

I understand what you're saying and it's a valid point, though I don't honestly recall many people claiming the "You lie" remark to be racist, just inappropriate and rude (it was considering the setting in which it was made). I do think it was very unfortunate the way Lott got skewered for his remark - also not well articulated, but I don't think intended to be racist.

 

But I think there IS, in fact, a fair number of people indeed saying that Reid's remark was racist. Not across the board certainly, but that's a good thing because there are people (such as myself) who don't feel it was. Like I've said, I think it was stupid, stereotypical, and better left unsaid, but just not racist.

 

I'm not sure how I feel about the comparison to the Limbaugh remark since it really wasn't made in a political environment, but a sports talk show forum. No, I don't think his comment was racist, but I think it was also inaccurate and unnecessarily over-the-top and intentionally controversial (McNabb had has been to three straight Pro Bowls, two consecutive NFC championship games, and NFL MVP runner-up to that point).