JIM, not sure about the boycott, maybe back in the 50s/60s but seems to me a loy of Christian groups just don't pay any mind anymore. I have protested/boycotted/written letters/called folks/called the Baptist Church in Kansas, and fellow Christians ignore me.

 

Are you serious?

 

Dozens of times per year I catch wind of this group or that group taking great offense to this movie or that movie, this album or that album, and the invariable calls for boycotts soon follow. It may not escalate to full-on boycott, but in small towns it usually doesn't have to, as video stores/bookstores, etc. will over-censor their selections to avoid even the slightest sniff of controversy.

 

The whole tiff between the Southern Baptist Convention and Walt Disney World (over WDW's annual "Gay Day" celebration) wasn't that long ago.

For anyone who has Netflix it's on there. I just added it to the top of my list. I should see it by the beginning of next week.

I got it from the library. It's pretty funny. Especially the last line but I won't spoil it for you. Its always funny to see snot nosed college kids trying to outsmart theologians.

To make such an assertion flies in the face of the historical record. You can say or believe what you want about the person of Jesus Christ, but to deny that he ever existed is as absurd as denying the existence of Aristotle, Plato, Julius Caesar, Galileo, Isaac Newton or George Washington.

 

There is no denying this one!:thumb:

JIM, not sure about the boycott, maybe back in the 50s/60s but seems to me a loy of Christian groups just don't pay any mind anymore. I have protested/boycotted/written letters/called folks/called the Baptist Church in Kansas, and fellow Christians ignore me.

 

Larry, did you miss the late 80's and The Last Temptation of Christ?

 

That was a HUGE uproar in major cities, not just small ones. After I rented it and watched it I thought the biggest problem was that the movie was a bore, not that it was theologically subversive. (There were some interesting scenes worthy of discussion in the thing)

There is no denying this one!:thumb:

Thank you for proving my point beyond question Sir... :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

 

 

 

 

 

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I got it from the library. It's pretty funny. Especially the last line but I won't spoil it for you. Its always funny to see snot nosed college kids trying to outsmart theologians.

 

Shhh, don't tell RTS libraries are for books not movies don't you know.

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I watched a few clips on YouTube. I would say its about what I expected from what I saw. You start with a presumption and then read that idea back into all the data.

 

For example, they claim a 40-year gap between the death and resurrection of Christ and the writing of the gospels. Jesus died around 30 A.D. The gospels they date at A.D. 70 at the earliest based on the fact that they mention the destruction of Jerusalem which happened at that time. They actually say the gospels were probably written much later than that. The impression I got was that this 40-year gap is evidence that Christianity was just an "invention" of the writers.

 

It ignores the fact that the destruction of Jerusalem mentioned in the gospels was prophetic. Why? Because if you start into the process by denying that Christ not only wasn't the son of God, but that he never existed, you couldn't possibly accept that the destruction of Jerusalem was predicted prior to the actual event. Thus, you would conclude that it had to be written after the fact.

 

Obviously, if you believe in Jesus, its hardly a stretch to think the destruction of Jerusalem could have been foretold and penned in the gospels well before it actually happened.

 

I also think the attempts to claim that the "myth" of Jesus is just another in a long line of mythological heroes who died and rose again by pointing that similarity and perhaps a few others without presenting some differences is a bit misleading.

 

But, there's little room for objectivity in this discussion. Either you believe or you don't, and that initial belief has a significant influence on how you view the rest of the information. If you don't believe in Jesus, then what the Bible says isn't going to carry much weight with you in an argument. Conversely, if you do believe, the Bible will mean everything to you.

The existence of a man called Jesus, a Nazarene, executed by Governor Pilate and causing a slight stir in Jerusalem, is beyond cavil. His existence is mentioned in Roman records regarding the Governorship of Pilate (he was recalled to Rome shortly after the execution), and the growth of the followers of Jesus, as well as his actual name, was mentioned in numerous written correspondence from Pliny to various Roman emperors (as well as his torture and commentary on the execution of many of the early church members). His existence is even mentioned in later reference by Plutarch.

 

The Romans, including Pliny, had no reason to lie or fabricate since they were not followers or believers but merely very good record-keepers, and thus this evidence is uncontradicted.

To make such an assertion flies in the face of the historical record. You can say or believe what you want about the person of Jesus Christ, but to deny that he ever existed is as absurd as denying the existence of Aristotle, Plato, Julius Caesar, Galileo, Isaac Newton or George Washington.

 

I agree. It's sort of proven that he did exist. Whether a person believes he is the Messiah or not does not change the fact that he was a real person.

Hatz, yes, I did. Back in the 80s y'all are correct, but this 2010, things have changed. In 09 we baptized 6 people, the Western recorder says Baptisms are at a long time low. I've asked folks to go with me places, NO!, Go door to door with me, Don't want to bother people, I'm from Alabama Bible belt, and if you can't see things have changed then I'm really wrong.

 

The Disney thing is how old, and I barred Disney from my home.

Josephus was a Jewish historian and Roman citizen in the First Century A.D. I’ve had four hardbound volumes of his “Works” on my bookshelf for 25 years. Admittedly, these are laborious reads, but I did read them many years ago.

 

As a Jew and a Roman citizen, it has never been seriously contended that Josephus was a Christian or a sincere Christian sympathizer. Within his historical documentation of the times he lived, he makes specific mention of Jesus. Regardless of whether these mentions are deemed positive or negative by historians… the simple fact is, Josephus offers incontrovertible “extra-Biblical” validation of the physical birth and life of the person known historically as “Jesus of Nazareth” in his works entitled “The Antiquities of the Jews”.

 

Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.

 

Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done; they also sent to the king, desiring him to send to Ananus that he should act so no more, for that what he had already done was not to be justified; nay, some of them went also to meet Albinus, as he was upon his journey from Alexandria, and informed him that it was not lawful for Ananus to assemble a sanhedrin without his consent.

 

In addition to Josephus and Pliny the Younger and Plutarch (as mentioned by Hearsay) Jesus is documented by Tacitus, Suetonius, Mara bar Sarapion, Thallus, Lucian, Celsus and others. The notion of Jesus Christ as a myth or mere fabrication of enraptured religious zealots has been thoroughly refuted by serious scholars and historians for generations.

 

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Hatz, yes, I did. Back in the 80s y'all are correct, but this 2010, things have changed. In 09 we baptized 6 people, the Western recorder says Baptisms are at a long time low. I've asked folks to go with me places, NO!, Go door to door with me, Don't want to bother people, I'm from Alabama Bible belt, and if you can't see things have changed then I'm really wrong.

 

The Disney thing is how old, and I barred Disney from my home.

 

Things haven't changed as much as you want to believe. I dare you go to a video store in small-town Kentucky and try to find Bill Maher's "Religulous." You will come up empty in all but a handful of places.

 

The Disney boycott came to an end in 2005, after eight years. I doubt very seriously it was ended because Disney caved in to the Southern Baptist Convention's demands; more likely because the SBC recognized that it was pointless, and their people were still going to Disney World and still buying those stupid movies.

Things haven't changed as much as you want to believe. I dare you go to a video store in small-town Kentucky and try to find Bill Maher's "Religulous." You will come up empty in all but a handful of places.

 

The Disney boycott came to an end in 2005, after eight years. I doubt very seriously it was ended because Disney caved in to the Southern Baptist Convention's demands; more likely because the SBC recognized that it was pointless, and their people were still going to Disney World and still buying those stupid movies.

There's an old saying, "The cost of living continues to rise... even so, it's (living is) still popular."

 

Paul tells us in his letter to the Romans, "...the wages of sin is death..." even so, sin is still very popular.

 

Just as our moms used to say (in one form or another) "If all your friends jump off a bridge would you?"

 

Principles ain't what they used to be... our culture is hell bound and gaining speed.

Jim, I live in Louisville so I can't speak for small towns in Kentucky. I know of small towns in Alabama that are still doing things of the Bible Belt. I do a lot of reading and I also do the walk that I mentioned before. Look at the nightly TV shows compared to the popular shows we rememeber of the 50s/60s and you might see my point. Then look at the music of the same era compared with 2010. Like Fastbreak said, and I agree with him people have changed and thats not good, man changed not God. They need to Repent which I have mentioned on here many times and still will.