Please allow me to hopefully end this debate - has any yelling, screaming, fighting etc. ever made a ref. turnaround and say " Hey Bozo you're right"? I rest my case! "So let it be written, so let it be done!"

Please allow me to hopefully end this debate - has any yelling, screaming, fighting etc. ever made a ref. turnaround and say " Hey Bozo you're right"? I rest my case! "So let it be written, so let it be done!"

 

:lol::lol:

 

I was saying the same thing when this 70 yr old man was standing up for 5 straight minutes yelling at a ref last week during the Dixie/Highlands game and he was mimicing throwing an elbow. Like the Ref is going to see him first of all and if he did do you think he is going to acknowledge you? LOL

:lol::lol:

 

I was saying the same thing when this 70 yr old man was standing up for 5 straight minutes yelling at a ref last week during the Dixie/Highlands game and he was mimicing throwing an elbow. Like the Ref is going to see him first of all and if he did do you think he is going to acknowledge you? LOL

 

 

Maybe not acknowledge him but the refs are human and I think that sometimes they are influenced by the fans and coaches yelling.

 

How many times have you been to a game and the fans start yelling about "3-seconds" and the next time or so down the floor it is called.

 

Then, on the flip side, there are the refs who will refuse to call something that is obvious just to prove a point.

 

To think that the referees are above all of it is very naive.

Maybe they should give the fans a red flag. Then they could challenge a call.:taz:

I am looking for the thread titled "Great Job by the Refs". Has anyone seen that one?

 

You'll see that thread shortly after you see the "Susan Boyle Wins Miss America" thread. Look, I know Susan Boyle isn't from America but you get the point.

I didn't see this game.

I only make one statement about ref's. I wish all referees would equally call less fouls all around on both sides. If you come into the paint on a drive, you should pay a price. Players should also fight hard for rebounds and not worry about tick tack fouls. If your afraid of getting hurt while rebounding then play tennis or something.

I personally like to see fewer fouls and let the kids play. The best games are the ones where you forgot the refs were even there.

I do not like to bang on refs, basketball is the hardest sport to officiate. There are not a lot of people who would want to put up with the abuse. The play is very fast at the high school level and a lot of times the refs are blocked out by the players. That being said I do not think the Highlands / Brossart game was very well officiated. The refs seemed overmatched with the speed and intensity of this game. There were a lot of inconsistencies in the way the game was called. A third offical would have been helpful in this game.

My Utopian dream would be to see every parent escorted out who feels it necessary to scream at the refs every time they think a call didn't go their way.

 

Has anybody ever wondered why our society has evolved into what it has over the years??? Some parents seem to think they're setting a great example to our youth, standing and screaming their displeasure over a call they disagree with in a KID'S GAME.

 

Anyone surprised that little Johnny grows into an adult who thinks he can throw a fit anytime he doesn't get what he wants?? That was the example provided by his parents...

 

Johnny's the guy who files a lawsuit against you when his kids trespass on your property and fall and hurt themselves. He's the same guy who pulls a gun and shoots at your car in "road rage" because he feels you cut him off. He's the guy who assaulted another dad because his son blocked his son in a hockey game... He's the guy (read this recently???) who didn't like what his doctor told him so he went home and got a shotgun...

 

These kids also take the example of their parents, and become parents themselves who think their son deserves all the playing time, the position he wants, etc., when their son eventually plays ball. These are the kids who eventually grow up and run off coaches...

 

I'm not saying every kid whose parents are loudmouths turn out to be ax murderers...not at all...but we are fooling ourselves if we don't think that we, the adults, aren't influencing our kids by the example we set.

 

I know; I'm a dreamer. And I plead guilty. But my parents always told me that you take care of what you have control over (your play) and let the rest fall where it may. I was reminded that life sometimes hands out lemons (bad calls)...and the only thing that mattered was my reaction to them...

My Utopian dream would be to see every parent escorted out who feels it necessary to scream at the refs every time they think a call didn't go their way.

 

Has anybody ever wondered why our society has evolved into what it has over the years??? Some parents seem to think they're setting a great example to our youth, standing and screaming their displeasure over a call they disagree with in a KID'S GAME.

 

Anyone surprised that little Johnny grows into an adult who thinks he can throw a fit anytime he doesn't get what he wants?? That was the example provided by his parents...

 

Johnny's the guy who files a lawsuit against you when his kids trespass on your property and fall and hurt themselves. He's the same guy who pulls a gun and shoots at your car in "road rage" because he feels you cut him off. He's the guy who assaulted another dad because his son blocked his son in a hockey game... He's the guy (read this recently???) who didn't like what his doctor told him so he went home and got a shotgun...

 

These kids also take the example of their parents, and become parents themselves who think their son deserves all the playing time, the position he wants, etc., when their son eventually plays ball. These are the kids who eventually grow up and run off coaches...

 

I'm not saying every kid whose parents are loudmouths turn out to be ax murderers...not at all...but we are fooling ourselves if we don't think that we, the adults, aren't influencing our kids by the example we set.

 

I know; I'm a dreamer. And I plead guilty. But my parents always told me that you take care of what you have control over (your play) and let the rest fall where it may. I was reminded that life sometimes hands out lemons (bad calls)...and the only thing that mattered was my reaction to them...

 

Outstanding post!:thumb:

Sounds like you are a ref hoopitup! Just to let you know there were alot of parents yelling at them from both sides. I have seen alot of games called bad and alot that were called very good . This game was just so bad I thought that I should say something on here. Not all refs are bad 80 % of them do a great job,( hope you are one of them!! )

 

Well in your defense I was not at the game you are referring to, so I am not sure how the game was called. I attend just about every game from my school, and we all know the parents who create trouble and stand up; yell, swear, embarrass there kids and act like fools. These are the ones who have no clue about the game. They just want their kids to do great and feel they can do no wrong. I just want to say I wish our parents would act like adults during the game and set good examples for our student athelets.

I do not like to bang on refs, basketball is the hardest sport to officiate. There are not a lot of people who would want to put up with the abuse. The play is very fast at the high school level and a lot of times the refs are blocked out by the players. That being said I do not think the Highlands / Brossart game was very well officiated. The refs seemed overmatched with the speed and intensity of this game. There were a lot of inconsistencies in the way the game was called. A third offical would have been helpful in this game.

 

A third official would be ideal in every game, however, the home teams decides whether there will be three officials or just two. Unfortunately, very few schools request three officials for their games.

I've been around this game for over 30 years and have served as head freshman coach for 13 of them and girls varsity coach for 5 of them, so I do feel somewhat qualified to make a couple of observations.

 

Freshmen teams practice up to five days a week in the pre-season and three times a week plus games during the regular season. We work hard with our kids. We work hard to teach them proper defensive techniques, and to stand in and take charges. I expect officials to be as conscientious.

 

Like coaches, there are good officials, bad officials and indifferent officials. We only ask that they call what is happening. It gets frustrating when every foul is a blocking foul, or no-calls when a kid stands in and takes a charge, or a block is called because an official doesn't have the intestinal fortitute to call a charge, or worse yet splits the atom and doesn't reward the effort.

 

"Let them play" is not OK if it equates to one team gaining a decided advantage over another. We simply want them to call what is happening. They are supposed to be fair and impartial. That is not always the case, and moreso since the division of local teams into 8th, 9th, and 10th Region programs. I want the officials to work as hard as I do and my kids do. That isn't always the case. How often does everyone in the house know the correct call, except the "professional" who is getting paid to make the call - all too often.

 

New officials aren't going to be as proficient as veteran qualified officials, and if they are good they will be moved out of the freshmen ranks, BUT I expect a 100% effort, a good attitude, and a fair shake. I expect the fouls that are committed to be called, and I want the official to have a basic working knowledge of the game he is being paid to officiate. Comparing it to baseball, I want a good ball-strike, fair-foul, safe-out knowledge of the game.

 

While this is wishful thinking, I feel that officials, even at the freshmen level should be somewhat accountable to call a sound-solid basketball game, and if they are incapable of doing so be weeded out. I hope that in every game we play, the officials at least make the effort to be the best team on the floor.

My Utopian dream would be to see every parent escorted out who feels it necessary to scream at the refs every time they think a call didn't go their way.

 

Has anybody ever wondered why our society has evolved into what it has over the years??? Some parents seem to think they're setting a great example to our youth, standing and screaming their displeasure over a call they disagree with in a KID'S GAME.

 

Anyone surprised that little Johnny grows into an adult who thinks he can throw a fit anytime he doesn't get what he wants?? That was the example provided by his parents...

 

Johnny's the guy who files a lawsuit against you when his kids trespass on your property and fall and hurt themselves. He's the same guy who pulls a gun and shoots at your car in "road rage" because he feels you cut him off. He's the guy who assaulted another dad because his son blocked his son in a hockey game... He's the guy (read this recently???) who didn't like what his doctor told him so he went home and got a shotgun...

 

These kids also take the example of their parents, and become parents themselves who think their son deserves all the playing time, the position he wants, etc., when their son eventually plays ball. These are the kids who eventually grow up and run off coaches...

 

I'm not saying every kid whose parents are loudmouths turn out to be ax murderers...not at all...but we are fooling ourselves if we don't think that we, the adults, aren't influencing our kids by the example we set.

 

I know; I'm a dreamer. And I plead guilty. But my parents always told me that you take care of what you have control over (your play) and let the rest fall where it may. I was reminded that life sometimes hands out lemons (bad calls)...and the only thing that mattered was my reaction to them...

 

Excellent post, ColonelMike! I agree. Too much is being taught by the action of some parents...unintentional lessons, I'm afraid. It's not only what they yell at the officials, but what they yell at their own kid. A couple of weeks ago, I heard a parent yell, "If you aren't going to play any better, I'm going to go home!"...as if the whole game revolved around this parent.

Many need to re-read the rules, this thread has become more problem then discussion.