While Hitler took it to the unfortunate extreme, the Nazi regime can't be given full credit. Experiments in cranial size and that sort of thing were wildly popular in the US and Europe more than a half a century prior. Woodrow Wilson was a big supporter of compulsory sterilization in the cases of some mental patients, and some eugenics laws relating to compulsory sterilization were still on the books in the US as late as the '50s.

They were still doing it in Canada in the 70's. I think the last was 1980.

To me, this is scary as hell. It sounds just a half a step shy of a return to eugenic philosophies.

 

 

 

Phillip Bouhler and Dr. Brandt are charged with the responsibility for expanding the authority of physicians, to be designated by name, to the end that patients considered incurable according to the best available human judgment of their state of health, can be granted a mercy death.

 

- Adolph Hitler (In signing his "Action T4" decree, September, 1939)

Once again, keep in mind that Dr. Emanuel was not stating his own opinion in that quote, and is against state-sponsored euthanasia.

Who said the following:

 

 

WHEREAS, Healthcare Decisions Day is designed to raise public awareness of the need to plan ahead for healthcare decisions, related to end of life care and medical decision-making whenever patients are unable to speak for themselves and to encourage the specific use of advance directives to communicate these important healthcare decisions. [...]

 

WHEREAS, one of the principal goals of Healthcare Decisions Day is to encourage hospitals, nursing homes, assisted living facilities, continuing care retirement communities, and hospices to participate in a statewide effort to provide clear and consistent information to the public about advance directives, as well as to encourage medical professionals and lawyers to volunteer their time and efforts to improve public knowledge and increase the number of (omitted) citizens with advance directives.

Continuing from Palin's facebook page....

 

http://www.facs.org/news/obama081209.html

 

CHICAGO—The American College of Surgeons is deeply disturbed over the uninformed public comments President Obama continues to make about the high-quality care provided by surgeons in the United States. When the President makes statements that are incorrect or not based in fact, we think he does a disservice to the American people at a time when they want clear, understandable facts about health care reform. We want to set the record straight.

 

Yesterday during a town hall meeting, President Obama got his facts completely wrong. He stated that a surgeon gets paid $50,000 for a leg amputation when, in fact, Medicare pays a surgeon between $740 and $1,140 for a leg amputation. This payment also includes the evaluation of the patient on the day of the operation plus patient follow-up care that is provided for 90 days after the operation. Private insurers pay some variation of the Medicare reimbursement for this service.

 

Three weeks ago, the President suggested that a surgeon’s decision to remove a child’s tonsils is based on the desire to make a lot of money. That remark was ill-informed and dangerous, and we were dismayed by this characterization of the work surgeons do.

 

We assume that the President made these mistakes unintentionally, but we would urge him to have his facts correct before making another inflammatory and incorrect statement about surgeons and surgical care.

Who said the following:

 

 

WHEREAS, Healthcare Decisions Day is designed to raise public awareness of the need to plan ahead for healthcare decisions, related to end of life care and medical decision-making whenever patients are unable to speak for themselves and to encourage the specific use of advance directives to communicate these important healthcare decisions. [...]

 

WHEREAS, one of the principal goals of Healthcare Decisions Day is to encourage hospitals, nursing homes, assisted living facilities, continuing care retirement communities, and hospices to participate in a statewide effort to provide clear and consistent information to the public about advance directives, as well as to encourage medical professionals and lawyers to volunteer their time and efforts to improve public knowledge and increase the number of (omitted) citizens with advance directives.

 

 

No one wants to play along or is it too obvious that these words are from Gov Palin a few years ago?

No one wants to play along or is it too obvious that these words are from Gov Palin a few years ago?

 

Or we don't know what it says through all the legalese.:sssh:

To go along with Clyde's point...

 

You would think that if Republicans wanted to totally mischaracterize a health care provision and demagogue it like nobody's business, they would at least pick something that the vast majority of them hadn't already voted for just a few years earlier. Because that's not just shameless, it's stupid.

 

Yes, that's right. Remember the 2003 Medicare prescription drug bill, the one that passed with the votes of 204 GOP House members and 42 GOP Senators? Anyone want to guess what it provided funding for? Did you say counseling for end-of-life issues and care? Ding ding ding!!

 

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/08/13/oh-those-death-panels/

 

It looks like a bunch of GOP'ers were as Hillary would say were for Death Panels before they were against them. :puke:

To go along with Clyde's point...

 

You would think that if Republicans wanted to totally mischaracterize a health care provision and demagogue it like nobody's business, they would at least pick something that the vast majority of them hadn't already voted for just a few years earlier. Because that's not just shameless, it's stupid.

 

Yes, that's right. Remember the 2003 Medicare prescription drug bill, the one that passed with the votes of 204 GOP House members and 42 GOP Senators? Anyone want to guess what it provided funding for? Did you say counseling for end-of-life issues and care? Ding ding ding!!

 

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/08/13/oh-those-death-panels/

 

It looks like a bunch of GOP'ers were as Hillary would say were for Death Panels before they were against them. :puke:

 

On the flipside, it would be interesting to know if the Dems were against it then.

On the flipside, it would be interesting to know if the Dems were against it then.

 

If I understand correctly the issue then is slightly different than now.

 

Then it was just an issue of it being offered or not.

 

Now its an issue of the doc getting paid for his/her time to do so.

 

Anyone?

If I understand correctly the issue then is slightly different than now.

 

Then it was just an issue of it being offered or not.

 

Now its an issue of the doc getting paid for his/her time to do so.

 

Anyone?

 

Per the article..

The only difference between the 2003 provision and the infamous Section 1233 that threatens the very future and moral sanctity of the Republic is that the first applied only to terminally ill patients. Section 1233 would expand funding so that people could voluntarily receive counseling before they become terminally ill.

Per the article..

The only difference between the 2003 provision and the infamous Section 1233 that threatens the very future and moral sanctity of the Republic is that the first applied only to terminally ill patients. Section 1233 would expand funding so that people could voluntarily receive counseling before they become terminally ill.

 

Well, that is a pretty big difference.

Well, that is a pretty big difference.

 

If you think so I would speculate that the reason is purely partisan...

On the flipside, it would be interesting to know if the Dems were against it then.

 

Just as with the Republicans, probably the same percentage. It all depends on whose ox is getting gored.

If you think so I would speculate that the reason is purely partisan...

 

How, one you are terminally ill which I take to mean someone has said you have X months/days to live. The other you are NOT terminally ill and can get counseling on euthanasia.

 

Seems like a pretty big difference. You are not getting ready to die but we want to counsel you on physician-assisted suicide.

I thought suicide and dr. assisted suicide were illegal?