O'Reilly On Health Care Bill: Con Or Great Thing?

 

 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/07/16/oreilly_on_health_care_bill_con_or_great_thing.html

I thought that for someone arguing against the proposed plan that it was well delivered and well thought.

 

He also has hit on the main issue in regards to our healthcare problem which many on here seem to argue or ignore. The costs have to come down.

I thought that for someone arguing against the proposed plan that it was well delivered and well thought.

 

He also has hit on the main issue in regards to our healthcare problem which many on here seem to argue or ignore. The costs have to come down.

 

I too, thought it was well done. And very true.

I thought that for someone arguing against the proposed plan that it was well delivered and well thought.

 

He also has hit on the main issue in regards to our healthcare problem which many on here seem to argue or ignore. The costs have to come down.

 

I wonder if you realize how pejorative your response is to those who are against the proposed plan.

 

Let's play a game and replace the phrase in bold type with other phrases that refer to other groups of people, then read the first sentence with the new phrase inserted and see how it plays. How about:

 

(1) "who is closed minded"

(2) "lacking in education"

(3) "who is a CovCath fan"

 

You might argue that's it not fair to play this word game but I do think it's instructive in this instance. I'm not sure if you really meant it to be so critical but it certainly could be interpreted that way. Also, while there certainly have been unreasoned responses, I don't believe it's that hard to find well reasoned and thoughtful criticisms of the proposed plan. I also believe that as more people actually get a chance to examine the plan, we'll be knee-deep in well reasoned and thoughtful criticism of the plan.

 

 

P.S. My favorite is number 3.

You might argue that's it not fair to play this word game but I do think it's instructive in this instance.

I think it isn't particularly fair ...

 

Also, while there certainly have been unreasoned responses, I don't believe it's that hard to find well reasoned and thoughtful criticisms of the proposed plan.

In the current political climate ... yes, I believe is. Too many critics are taking the easy route and going into hyperbole.

Makes sense to me, I know that it would require alot of work but I really do like the Switzerland plan so to speak, especially if it could be taken out through taxes somehow, voluntarily of course, if you choose to have that sort of health care. If you're required to have car insurance to drive, I don't see why it shouldn't be the same for health, IFFFFFF you want it, then it should be dealt with in the same manner. I have doctor bills right now that I need to pay and still haven't. I'm a college student and often times forget about a doctors visit that I thought my insurance would cover and find out 6 months later did not, but none the less I pay the bill. I think alot of Americans need to reallly look at how much we can "get by or get away with" anymore, it's really kinda sad, and frankly it's becoming embarrasing. If people want certain needs met, perhaps they should be willing to work for them somewhat and not just vote for someone that they think will provide for them.

 

BTW, this post could generate some interesting feedback, I hope it does.

I wonder if you realize how pejorative your response is to those who are against the proposed plan.

 

Let's play a game and replace the phrase in bold type with other phrases that refer to other groups of people, then read the first sentence with the new phrase inserted and see how it plays. How about:

 

(1) "who is closed minded"

(2) "lacking in education"

(3) "who is a CovCath fan"

 

You might argue that's it not fair to play this word game but I do think it's instructive in this instance. I'm not sure if you really meant it to be so critical but it certainly could be interpreted that way. Also, while there certainly have been unreasoned responses, I don't believe it's that hard to find well reasoned and thoughtful criticisms of the proposed plan. I also believe that as more people actually get a chance to examine the plan, we'll be knee-deep in well reasoned and thoughtful criticism of the plan.

 

 

P.S. My favorite is number 3.

 

Obviously #3 would be nothing but non-perjorative, right?

 

Seriously, you read way too much into it. It was actually a compliment since many in the media and on here cannot offer an intelligent debate without hostilities and agendas coming into play.

O'Reilly's idea seems to be a logical alternative at first glance, especially since it keeps the feds out of the business of running a GIANT healthcare system. I've always felt our lawmakers should focus first on fixing the problems in our present system ( and yes, there are many), instead of merely scrapping it and hoping for the best under a massive bureaucracy put in place by the feds.

I wonder if you realize how pejorative your response is to those who are against the proposed plan.

 

Let's play a game and replace the phrase in bold type with other phrases that refer to other groups of people, then read the first sentence with the new phrase inserted and see how it plays. How about:

 

(1) "who is closed minded"

(2) "lacking in education"

(3) "who is a CovCath fan"

 

You might argue that's it not fair to play this word game but I do think it's instructive in this instance. I'm not sure if you really meant it to be so critical but it certainly could be interpreted that way. Also, while there certainly have been unreasoned responses, I don't believe it's that hard to find well reasoned and thoughtful criticisms of the proposed plan. I also believe that as more people actually get a chance to examine the plan, we'll be knee-deep in well reasoned and thoughtful criticism of the plan.

 

 

P.S. My favorite is number 3.

 

 

It's actually rather easy to find them, it's just that you can't be looking on the cable news networks for them.

I didn't read, I just felt like saying that Bill O'Reilly makes me sick.

O'Reilly's views are much closer to the bill and current proposals than he admitted. Outside of his rejection of the public option, he favored an individual mandate, coverage subsidies for the poor, and heavier regulation of the insurance industry to lower costs. He also claimed the current proposal would induce rationing of health services but never explained why or how, which is important since many of his recommendations mirrored the proposed system.

 

For those willing to recognized the shortcomings of the current healthcare system in the US, but oppose the current legislation, what would you implement to solve those problems? I'm more than willing to entertain other views and support other solutions, yet I never see any. Perhaps that should be its own thread.

O'Reilly's views are much closer to the bill and current proposals than he admitted. Outside of his rejection of the public option, he favored an individual mandate, coverage subsidies for the poor, and heavier regulation of the insurance industry to lower costs. He also claimed the current proposal would induce rationing of health services but never explained why or how, which is important since many of his recommendations mirrored the proposed system.

 

For those willing to recognized the shortcomings of the current healthcare system in the US, but oppose the current legislation, what would you implement to solve those problems? I'm more than willing to entertain other views and support other solutions, yet I never see any. Perhaps that should be its own thread.

 

Kind of a big difference, wouldn't you say? Many people could go for much of the plan, they just don't believe the government should be in the health care business.

 

As to the rationing of the health services I believe we had a thread discussing an administration official making that same claim back in May, didn't we?

Kind of a big difference, wouldn't you say? Many people could go for much of the plan, they just don't believe the government should be in the health care business.

 

Certainly, but of the three or four minutes of that video he spent much of the time agreeing with things already in the bill or being proposed and didn't particularly explicate his reasoning as to why he doesn't support the public option. At any rate, I can't discuss the issue with him, so I was waiting for those who agree/disagree with him to step in.

 

As to the rationing of the health services I believe we had a thread discussing an administration official making that same claim back in May, didn't we?

 

Maybe. I apparently didn't participate, for whatever reason. I've found claims of "rationing" to be severely overstated, though.

Bill had another interesting segment on this subject last evening and debated it with two democratic strategists.

 

A big question tonight is will Obama be able to actually convey what this will mean for each American citizen? Or will it be another event where he promotes something and you really have no idea what he is saying, but he just sounds good saying it? As one who considers to be somewhat, at least more than your average Joe, able to keep up with things in government, the Health Care stuff is all perplexing and overwhelming to me. Most people want to know how this will affect them individually without throwing out all of these acronyms and dollar figure numbers nobody can wrap their heads around.

 

What is it going to cost me now? What is going to cost me if I make more money? Why this plan is better for everyone in America?

Bill had another interesting segment on this subject last evening and debated it with two democratic strategists.

 

A big question tonight is will Obama be able to actually convey what this will mean for each American citizen? Or will it be another event where he promotes something and you really have no idea what he is saying, but he just sounds good saying it? As one who considers to be somewhat, at least more than your average Joe, able to keep up with things in government, the Health Care stuff is all perplexing and overwhelming to me. Most people want to know how this will affect them individually without throwing out all of these acronyms and dollar figure numbers nobody can wrap their heads around.

 

What is it going to cost me now? What is going to cost me if I make more money? Why this plan is better for everyone in America?

 

Considering the lawmakers in Congress don't read these bills to know, how are we supposed to find this stuff out?