Rank the NFL QB's

[cch5432]

I want to see if I can actually find 10 QB's better than Roethlisberger because I haven't put it down on paper yet.

 

Rank the QB's in terms of talent. To be more specific (and for the context that we normally argue about in Roethlisberger arguments), put them in order of who can do more with less. The criteria from there on is your prerogative.

 

I will give mine after some thought

[Blue Magic]

1. Tom Brady

2. Peyton Manning

3. Kurt Warner

4. Drew Brees

5. Carson Palmer

6. Donovan McNabb

7. Phillip Rivers

8. Ben Roethlisberger

9. Jay Cutler

10. Eli Manning

 

It kills me not to put Favre in there, but he seems to have lost it a bit.

 

Also, Chad Pennington or Aaron Rodgers could be in there for Manning or Cutler. I just chose those 2.

[75center]

This is really tough to do after the first 3-4. I checked out the 2008 season on the NFL website and sorted by QB rating. It was really surprising and no help at all. I'll have to work on this one to get a top ten, particularly in light of the injuries to Brady and Palmer.

[5wide]

No...you can't find 10 QB's better than Big Ben right now...

 

1-2 - Brady and Manning

 

Just list the guys and ask yourself...can I legitimately rank him above Ben?

 

Carson Palmer - No. One playoff appearance, no playoff wins. He may have the talent, but he doesn't have the resume. Certainly, playing in Cincy has been a huge handicap, but it is what it is. To claim he'd do the same in Pittsburgh is speculation...Ben has proven it with 2 Super Bowls.

 

Jay Cutler - No.

 

Philip Rivers - No.

 

Donovan McNabb - No. He's been around and he's had big success, but his failures in the big moments pale in comparison to 2 Super Bowls.

 

Eli Manning - No.

 

Tony Romo - I like his talent and what he's done in his short time as a starter...but, his failures in big games and clutch moments eliminate him. Until he delivers on the big stage, he's out.

 

Drew Brees - Great player. You could argue it due to how much his team relies on him to carry them, but still 2 Super Bowls to 0.

 

Kurt Warner - I don't think so...that huge black hole in his career between St. Louis and the present doesn't help. 1-2 in Super Bowls...

 

There may be two or three guys some people might feel different about. I wouldn't bother debating it, but right now, I'd have to put Ben at #3.

[spindoc]

1. Tom Brady

2. Peyton Manning

3. Kurt Warner

4. Drew Brees

5. Carson Palmer

6. Donovan McNabb

7. Phillip Rivers

8. Ben Roethlisberger

9. Jay Cutler

10. Eli Manning

 

It kills me not to put Favre in there, but he seems to have lost it a bit.

 

Also, Chad Pennington or Aaron Rodgers could be in there for Manning or Cutler. I just chose those 2.

I see no argument whatsoever for either of them to be above Ben.

[75center]

I see no argument whatsoever for either of them to be above Ben.

 

This year I can certainly see where Rivers would be listed above him. He really seems to be getting his groove.

[5wide]

I see no argument whatsoever for either of them to be above Ben.

 

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I'm not sure you can make a strong argument for anybody above Ben...maybe Drew Brees if you want to tout his incredible numbers and the job he does leading that offense regardless of who is playing or injured. But, still, do eye-popping numbers outweigh 56-24 and two super bowl rings? I don't think so.

[buzzer beater]

1. Tom Brady

2. Peyton Manning

3. Donovan McNabb

4. Drew Brees

5. Big Ben

[woodsrider]

I think some are putting way too much stock into whether or not someone has a super bowl win or not. The QB isn't the only one on the field and I think it has been proven time and time again that a team can win it all in spite of the QB. Big Ben's first ring is a great example. He had a QB rating of like 20. Was he a great QB in the elite status after that win? What about Brad Johnson in Tampa or Dilfer in Baltimore? Warner didn't win this year yet his numbers in the game were a good deal better then Ben's, 2 more TD's and 100 more yards. The QB gets way too much credit and blame for everything.

 

That said I would take BR any day of the week. However if I had my choice he would be around 5th or 6th.

[corndog23]

1. Peyton

2. Brady

3. McNabb

4. Cutler (I don't care what anybody says Cutler is going to go NUTS next year.)

5. Brees

6. Warner

7. Roethlisberger

8. Rivers

9. Romo

10. Pennington

[5wide]

From the other thread...

 

Let's do a little comparison...

 

Jay Cutler - In two years as a starter, his QB Ratings were 88.1 and 86.0.

His best season...62.3%, 4526 Yards, 7.3 Avg, 25 TD, 18 Int

His average from two years as a starter...62.9%, 4012 Yards, 7.4 Avg, 23 TD, 16 Int

17-20 Career Record as starter, 0 playoffs

 

Eli Manning - Started final 7 games of rookie season. In 4 years since, his highest QB Rating was 86.4 (this year). His previous three years were all in the 70's.

Best season...60.3%, 3238 Yards, 6.8 Avg, 21 TD, 10 Int

Average season...56.6%, 3395 Yards, 6.5 Avg, 23 TD, 16 Int

42-29 Career as starter; 4-3 Playoff Record; One Super Bowl Title; Has made playoffs in all 4 full seasons as starter

 

Donovan McNabb - ESPN's game log doesn't go back to '99, so I can analyze McNabb's record as a starter from 2000. His highest QB Rating was 104.7. He's had one other season with a rating above 90....95.5 in 2006.

Best season...64.0%, 3875 Yards, 8.3 Avg, 31 TD, 8 Int

*Average season...59.4%, 3721 Yards, 6.9 Avg, 24 TD, 11 Int

79-41-1 as starter; 9-6 in playoffs; 1-4 in NFC Title Games; 0-1 in Super Bowl; made playoffs 6 times and has won at least one game in every playoff appearance

 

Tony Romo - Took over as starter in Week 7 of 2006...higest QB Rating was 97.4 and he's never been below 90.

Best season...64.4%, 4211 Yards, 8.1 Avg, 36 TD, 19 Int

Average season...63.0%, 4226 Yards, 7.9 Avg, 34 TD, 18 Int

27-13 as starter; 0-2 in playoffs; made playoffs in '06 and '07

 

Kurt Warner - OK, I'm not even going to try to plow through all his seasons to figure out when he started and when he didn't. He's had two QB Ratings above 100 and two more above 90. His best was 109.2.

Best season...65.1%, 4353 Yards, 8.7 Avg, 41 TD, 13 Int

*Average season...65.4%, 4197 Yards, 8.0 Avg, 27 TD, 17 Int

3 Super Bowls, 1 Win

 

Drew Brees - Has started from Year 2...highest QB Rating, 104.8 with two more years above 90.

Best season...65.5%, 3159 Yards, 7.9 Avg, 27 TD, 7 Int

*Average season...63.9%, 3930 Yards, 7.2 Avg, 25 TD, 15 Int

55-51 as starter, 1-2 in playoffs

 

Philip Rivers - Starter from 2006...QB Ratings, 92.0, 82.4 and 105.5.

Best season...65.3%, 4009 Yards, 8.4 Avg, 34 TD, 11 Int

Average season...62.5%, 3516 Yards, 7.5 Avg, 26 TD, 12 Int

33-15 as starter, 3-3 in playoffs; lost in conference title game

 

Carson Palmer - Highest rating, 101.1; one other season above 90.

Best season...67.8%, 3836 Yards, 7.5 Avg, 32 TD, 12 Int

*Average season...63.7%, 3847 Yards, 7.2 Avg, 26 TD, 16 Int

32-33 as starter; 0-1 in playoffs

 

Peyton Manning - 8 seasons with a QB Rating above 90, three of those over 100; best rating, 121.1

Best season...67.6%, 4557 Yards, 9.2 Avg, 49 TD, 10 Int

Average season...64.4%, 4148 Yards, 7.7 Avg, 30 TD, 15 Int

117-59 as starter; 7-8 in playoffs; 9 playoff appearances in 11 seasons; one Super Bowl title; 6 times has lost playoff opener

 

Tom Brady - Highest rating, 117.2; two other seasons above 90

Best season...68.9%, 4806 Yards, 8.3 Avg, 50 TD, 8 Int

Average season...63.0%, 3800 Yards, 7.2 Avg, 28 TD, 12 Int

86-25 as starter; 14-3 in playoffs; 3-1 in Super Bowls; has never had a losing season, has never lost a playoff opener and has multiple wins in all but one playoff appearance

 

Ben Roethlisberger - Best rating, 104.1 and two other seasons above 90.

Best season...65.3%, 3154 Yards, 7.8 Avg, 32 TD, 11 Int

*Average season...62.4%, 3328 Yards, 7.9 Avg, 19 TD, 15 Int

51-21 as starter; 8-2 in playoffs; 2-0 in Super Bowls

 

 

* - Per 16 game average (for players who had some seasons of less than 16 games)

[Original Rookie]

I think some are putting way too much stock into whether or not someone has a super bowl win or not. The QB isn't the only one on the field and I think it has been proven time and time again that a team can win it all in spite of the QB. Big Ben's first ring is a great example. He had a QB rating of like 20. Was he a great QB in the elite status after that win? What about Brad Johnson in Tampa or Dilfer in Baltimore? Warner didn't win this year yet his numbers in the game were a good deal better then Ben's, 2 more TD's and 100 more yards. The QB gets way too much credit and blame for everything.

 

That said I would take BR any day of the week. However if I had my choice he would be around 5th or 6th.

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[BoondockSaint]

I think some are putting way too much stock into whether or not someone has a super bowl win or not. The QB isn't the only one on the field and I think it has been proven time and time again that a team can win it all in spite of the QB. Big Ben's first ring is a great example. He had a QB rating of like 20. Was he a great QB in the elite status after that win? What about Brad Johnson in Tampa or Dilfer in Baltimore? Warner didn't win this year yet his numbers in the game were a good deal better then Ben's, 2 more TD's and 100 more yards. The QB gets way too much credit and blame for everything.

 

That said I would take BR any day of the week. However if I had my choice he would be around 5th or 6th.

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[5wide]

Bart Starr (2)

Joe Namath

Len Dawson

Johnny Unitas

Roger Staubach (2)

Earl Morrall

Bob Griese

Terry Bradshaw (4)

Ken Stabler

Jim Plunkett (2)

Joe Montana (4)

Joe Theismann

Jim McMahon

Phil Simms

Doug Williams

Jeff Hostetler

Troy Aikman (3)

Steve Young

Brett Favre

John Elway (2)

Kurt Warner

Trent Dilfer

Tom Brady (3)

Brad Johnson

Ben Roethlisberger (2)

Peyton Manning

Eli Manning

 

 

That's the list of Super Bowl winning QB's, so let's not get carried away with downplaying the importance of that position.

 

People like to throw Dilfer and Johnson's names out there. I just like to point out that those guys are the exception, not the rule. All that proves is that its possible to win without a great QB. It doesn't, however, mean that plan of attack gives you your best chance. The list of winning QB's overwhelmingly shows otherwise. Additionally, if you'll look at multiple Super Bowl winning QB's, you won't find any Johnson's and Dilfers on that list.

[hoopboy]

No...you can't find 10 QB's better than Big Ben right now...

 

1-2 - Brady and Manning

 

Just list the guys and ask yourself...can I legitimately rank him above Ben?

 

Carson Palmer - No. One playoff appearance, no playoff wins. He may have the talent, but he doesn't have the resume. Certainly, playing in Cincy has been a huge handicap, but it is what it is. To claim he'd do the same in Pittsburgh is speculation...Ben has proven it with 2 Super Bowls.

 

Jay Cutler - No.

 

Philip Rivers - No.

 

Donovan McNabb - No. He's been around and he's had big success, but his failures in the big moments pale in comparison to 2 Super Bowls.

 

Eli Manning - No.

 

Tony Romo - I like his talent and what he's done in his short time as a starter...but, his failures in big games and clutch moments eliminate him. Until he delivers on the big stage, he's out.

 

Drew Brees - Great player. You could argue it due to how much his team relies on him to carry them, but still 2 Super Bowls to 0.

 

Kurt Warner - I don't think so...that huge black hole in his career between St. Louis and the present doesn't help. 1-2 in Super Bowls...

 

There may be two or three guys some people might feel different about. I wouldn't bother debating it, but right now, I'd have to put Ben at #3.

 

:thumb: You could say P. Manning or Brady but that's it. Let's not forget here too. His offensive coordinator is Bruce "let's run the ball until the 3rd down" Ariens. Imagine if he could open up the offense a bit how good could he be. I'll tell you how good, in the 05 playoffs they let him pass....