February 3, 200917 yr :thumb: You could say P. Manning or Brady but that's it. Let's not forget here too. His offensive coordinator is Bruce "let's run the ball until the 3rd down" Ariens. Imagine if he could open up the offense a bit how good could he be. I'll tell you how good, in the 05 playoffs they let him pass.... An average of 19 TD's and 15 INT's in an offense that does not throw the ball a ton is not good. If they open it up, those INT's would go up more than the TD's.
February 3, 200917 yr Can Carson Palmer really be considered 0-1 in the playoffs? It's either that or 0-0 meaning he's never been to the playoffs.
February 3, 200917 yr An average of 19 TD's and 15 INT's in an offense that does not throw the ball a ton is not good. If they open it up, those INT's would go up more than the TD's. 32/11 2007 with an o-line
February 3, 200917 yr 32/11 2007 with an o-line How ironic is it that you are now using the exception and not the rule for your argument?
February 3, 200917 yr It's either that or 0-0 meaning he's never been to the playoffs. We obviously all know what happened.
February 3, 200917 yr From the other thread... Let's do a little comparison... Jay Cutler - In two years as a starter, his QB Ratings were 88.1 and 86.0. His best season...62.3%, 4526 Yards, 7.3 Avg, 25 TD, 18 Int His average from two years as a starter...62.9%, 4012 Yards, 7.4 Avg, 23 TD, 16 Int 17-20 Career Record as starter, 0 playoffs Eli Manning - Started final 7 games of rookie season. In 4 years since, his highest QB Rating was 86.4 (this year). His previous three years were all in the 70's. Best season...60.3%, 3238 Yards, 6.8 Avg, 21 TD, 10 Int Average season...56.6%, 3395 Yards, 6.5 Avg, 23 TD, 16 Int 42-29 Career as starter; 4-3 Playoff Record; One Super Bowl Title; Has made playoffs in all 4 full seasons as starter Donovan McNabb - ESPN's game log doesn't go back to '99, so I can analyze McNabb's record as a starter from 2000. His highest QB Rating was 104.7. He's had one other season with a rating above 90....95.5 in 2006. Best season...64.0%, 3875 Yards, 8.3 Avg, 31 TD, 8 Int *Average season...59.4%, 3721 Yards, 6.9 Avg, 24 TD, 11 Int 79-41-1 as starter; 9-6 in playoffs; 1-4 in NFC Title Games; 0-1 in Super Bowl; made playoffs 6 times and has won at least one game in every playoff appearance Tony Romo - Took over as starter in Week 7 of 2006...higest QB Rating was 97.4 and he's never been below 90. Best season...64.4%, 4211 Yards, 8.1 Avg, 36 TD, 19 Int Average season...63.0%, 4226 Yards, 7.9 Avg, 34 TD, 18 Int 27-13 as starter; 0-2 in playoffs; made playoffs in '06 and '07 Kurt Warner - OK, I'm not even going to try to plow through all his seasons to figure out when he started and when he didn't. He's had two QB Ratings above 100 and two more above 90. His best was 109.2. Best season...65.1%, 4353 Yards, 8.7 Avg, 41 TD, 13 Int *Average season...65.4%, 4197 Yards, 8.0 Avg, 27 TD, 17 Int 3 Super Bowls, 1 Win Drew Brees - Has started from Year 2...highest QB Rating, 104.8 with two more years above 90. Best season...65.5%, 3159 Yards, 7.9 Avg, 27 TD, 7 Int *Average season...63.9%, 3930 Yards, 7.2 Avg, 25 TD, 15 Int 55-51 as starter, 1-2 in playoffs Philip Rivers - Starter from 2006...QB Ratings, 92.0, 82.4 and 105.5. Best season...65.3%, 4009 Yards, 8.4 Avg, 34 TD, 11 Int Average season...62.5%, 3516 Yards, 7.5 Avg, 26 TD, 12 Int 33-15 as starter, 3-3 in playoffs; lost in conference title game Carson Palmer - Highest rating, 101.1; one other season above 90. Best season...67.8%, 3836 Yards, 7.5 Avg, 32 TD, 12 Int *Average season...63.7%, 3847 Yards, 7.2 Avg, 26 TD, 16 Int 32-33 as starter; 0-1 in playoffs Peyton Manning - 8 seasons with a QB Rating above 90, three of those over 100; best rating, 121.1 Best season...67.6%, 4557 Yards, 9.2 Avg, 49 TD, 10 Int Average season...64.4%, 4148 Yards, 7.7 Avg, 30 TD, 15 Int 117-59 as starter; 7-8 in playoffs; 9 playoff appearances in 11 seasons; one Super Bowl title; 6 times has lost playoff opener Tom Brady - Highest rating, 117.2; two other seasons above 90 Best season...68.9%, 4806 Yards, 8.3 Avg, 50 TD, 8 Int Average season...63.0%, 3800 Yards, 7.2 Avg, 28 TD, 12 Int 86-25 as starter; 14-3 in playoffs; 3-1 in Super Bowls; has never had a losing season, has never lost a playoff opener and has multiple wins in all but one playoff appearance Ben Roethlisberger - Best rating, 104.1 and two other seasons above 90. Best season...65.3%, 3154 Yards, 7.8 Avg, 32 TD, 11 Int *Average season...62.4%, 3328 Yards, 7.9 Avg, 19 TD, 15 Int 51-21 as starter; 8-2 in playoffs; 2-0 in Super Bowls * - Per 16 game average (for players who had some seasons of less than 16 games) Great evaluation. Brady's numbers are tough, so are Peyton's, but look at those post season numbers, that's why Brady is the better of the two. He wins the big games, Peyton can't. I like Peyton, but hes no Tom Brady, sorry.
February 3, 200917 yr How ironic is it that you are now using the exception and not the rule for your argument? Just throwing it out there since you refuse to acknowledge any positive numbers from Big Ben...:thumb:
February 3, 200917 yr We obviously all know what happened. Yeah...he got hurt playing football. It happens.
February 3, 200917 yr Yeah...he got hurt playing football. It happens. I didn't mean to imply that there was intent by the Steelers, although it did read that way. You can't really say he's never been, but also can't say that he is 0-1. He led his team to the playoffs and was injured on the first play. I bet he has one heck of a playoff QB rating :lol:
February 3, 200917 yr Just throwing it out there since you refuse to acknowledge any positive numbers from Big Ben...:thumb: You aren't throwing out his bad numbers either, that's why it is called an argument :thumb:
February 3, 200917 yr I didn't mean to imply that there was intent by the Steelers, although it did read that way. You can't really say he's never been, but also can't say that he is 0-1. He led his team to the playoffs and was injured on the first play. I bet he has one heck of a playoff QB rating :lol: Well, technically, he started the game, and that's pretty much what I tried to go by with my W/L records as a starter...but, I agree with your point. Its just too much trouble to try to figure out when a guy played a lot in a game and when he didn't...although, in that case, its common knowledge.
February 3, 200917 yr You aren't throwing out his bad numbers either, that's why it is called an argument :thumb: Fair enough... But, I had to work harder because he has more good than bad...
February 3, 200917 yr 1. Tom Brady 2. Peyton Manning 3. Kurt Warner 4. Drew Brees 5. Carson Palmer 6. Donovan McNabb 7. Phillip Rivers 8. Ben Roethlisberger 9. Jay Cutler 10. Eli Manning It kills me not to put Favre in there, but he seems to have lost it a bit. Also, Chad Pennington or Aaron Rodgers could be in there for Manning or Cutler. I just chose those 2. I think this is a pretty good listing although I would exchange Rivers and Palmer.
February 3, 200917 yr 1. Tom Brady 2. Peyton Manning 3a. Kurt Warner 3b. Ben Roethlisberger 5. Donovan McNabb 6. Eli Manning 7. Drew Brees 8. Phillip Rivers 9. Jay Cutler 10. Brett Favre
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