I fail to see how the current system to legally having a gun deters criminals. I fail to see why better systems to keep guns out of the wrong hands is a bad thing.

 

As I said before, I don't care if people have guns. But, I don't understand the mentality that having a gun does anything to affect criminal access or crimes committed.

 

I don't think that there's anything to be gained by having a gun, no matter what systems, or if no systems, are in place. But, it is a choice, and if that's your choice have at it.

 

I don't find any of my rights threatend either way, except my intrinsic right to safety from people misusing their weapons. But, that's not a constitutional right, so I guess that's not guaranteed, and I'll live with that. :lol:

 

Honestly, it's not that big of deal to me. It's one of those things where I support a position on an issue that really doesn't affect me. Maybe I'm able to take the position that I do because it DOESN'T affect me. I'm looking at it from the outside.

Well, I hope it doesn't affect you ever, but if a couple of thugs break into your home some night, you'd have a better chance of not being raped, beaten or killed if you had a gun. I pray that never happens to you.

 

Like I explained to you already, gun laws only affect the law abiding citizen, criminals don't give a rat's rear end about any law. What deterrent are laws to a criminal?

 

It's not only my choice to have a gun, RM. It's my Constitutional right, I want that protected just as much as the rest of my Constitutional rights.

Oops, sorry didn't read the whole thread. This is just first thing I thought of when I saw thread title.

 

As did I:thumb:

Well, I hope it doesn't affect you ever, but if a couple of thugs break into your home some night, you'd have a better chance of not being raped, beaten or killed if you had a gun. I pray that never happens to you.

 

Like I explained to you already, gun laws only affect the law abiding citizen, criminals don't give a rat's rear end about any law. What deterrent are laws to a criminal?

 

It's not only my choice to have a gun, RM. It's my Constitutional right, I want that protected just as much as the rest of my Constitutional rights.

 

 

I've already had someone break into my home. They would have done so whether or not I had a gun. My dog was there, and I'm confident that he's a big reason we had no bigger issue occur that night, nor any further issues occur since then.

 

The other day, a Sheriff came to our door looking for some guy named Kevin. My daughter was home and answered the door. Because my dog is undisciplined, we always step outside to speak to people who come to the door that we aren't going to invite in. As my daughter tries to explain than neither Rockmom, the Rockdaughter or the Rockson, or the guy who lives upstairs is named Kevin, Lucky is going crazy inside on the other side of the door, barking as if he'll tear someone up if they step through the door. The Sheriff repeatedly asked my daughter "what kind of dog she had in there". She kept telling him a half Jack Russell, half Beagle. He kept telling her there was no way, that Lucky was much bigger than that. :lol: She offered to open the door and show him, and he rapidly declined the offer. :lol:

 

I'm confident that I'm as safe with Lucky on guard as if I had a gun.

 

As I said, I'm fine if you own a gun, and it's your choice, because you have the right. But, I'm tired of being browbeat to try to convince me that any limitations on that right is the end of America as we know it. I'm tired of being told that it's a relative issue to me. It's not.

 

I'm also tired of seeing news reports of parents who left a gun loaded where a child could get to it. I'm tired of seeing reports of people who lend their guns to people who then misuse them. I'm tired of reading that a child killed himself or another because they were playing with guns. I'm tired of hearing that those lives don't matter. I'm tired of the hyperbole that because someone owns a gun, they are somehow safer or less apt to have a crime committed against them. It's simply not true, and there are many more logical, reasonable explanations for that, and many more ways to ensure one's safety than owning a gun.

 

To me, it's simply not a relevant issue. I'm apathetic, and simply don't understand how a gun makes one safer.

 

Succintly, if one takes normal precautionary measures, an average citizen won't have the need for a gun.

:thumb: Label me among the paranoid as well!

 

The people that make the laws want us to be labeled paranoid ! That just makes it easier to get the laws changed. It's easy for them to label us, considering they travel with five or six guys with full automatics under their coats !:lol:

If it walks like a duck........

 

 

Biden is one of the people who drafted the original AWB.

 

It was on "The Ones" own website that he wanted to do away with anything over 5 rd capacity mags.

 

"The One" also had a hand in drafting Illinois anti-gun laws.

 

"The One" also is on record for saying he wants a 500% increase in taxes on ammo and guns.

 

Almost every single member of "The Ones" cabinet and transition team are vocally anti-gun.

 

"The One" was caught on tape saying us simple folk "cling to guns and religion"

 

 

Paranoid, yeah...............

 

Get your head out of the sand.................

 

I agree. Wake up people. :irked:

Lucky was just that ! I knew a person who was not so lucky. His house was broken into, his dog stabbed and killed and he was cleaned out by two knife carrying thugs. He said he would have something for them the next time. He was just very fortunate to get a second chance.

At birth, your finger and footprints are recorded.

Your social security number is on record just about everywhere you can think.

Your cell-phone records can be subpoenaed without your knowledge.

Your credit report is available to just about anyone who wants to subscribe to the service to access it.

You have to have a license to practice medicine, drive a car, practice law, be an anesthesiologist, be a pharmacist, be a HAIR DRESSER.

 

I'm just not sure it matters if they have my fingerprints. I really don't mind if they do. They pretty much know anything and everything about me now.

 

Really? Where? Please tell me you don't mean that little paper certificate the hospital gives you. Your fingerprints/footprints are not recorded anywhere at birth. In fact, unless you had some contact with the law or worked in a governmental position that required taking your prints, your prints are indeed NOT on file with the FBI or any other governmental agency. It is an absolute, utter fallacy that the FBI has the fingerprints of every U.S. citizen on file.

The original no-smoking law was to not allow smoking on flights of less than a certain distance. A very reasonable request.

 

The intent of the non-smoking proponents was to ban cigarettes entirely. We're almost there.

 

I'm not saying this in support of smoking, I'm just using it as an example.

 

The anti-gun people want to ban guns entirely. The approach is always to do something that is reasonable. Then take a little more and a little more until they take all of it.

 

Over the years we have seen our rights infringed on by by small reasonable amounts over and over again. Gun advocates know this is how liberties are lost and will continue to fight every infingement with fervor.

 

Very nicely done! :thumb:

I fail to see how the current system to legally having a gun deters criminals. I fail to see why better systems to keep guns out of the wrong hands is a bad thing.

 

As I said before, I don't care if people have guns. But, I don't understand the mentality that having a gun does anything to affect criminal access or crimes committed.

 

I don't think that there's anything to be gained by having a gun, no matter what systems, or if no systems, are in place. But, it is a choice, and if that's your choice have at it.

 

I don't find any of my rights threatend either way, except my intrinsic right to safety from people misusing their weapons. But, that's not a constitutional right, so I guess that's not guaranteed, and I'll live with that. :lol:

 

Honestly, it's not that big of deal to me. It's one of those things where I support a position on an issue that really doesn't affect me. Maybe I'm able to take the position that I do because it DOESN'T affect me. I'm looking at it from the outside.

 

So it is your position that the current regulations (Brady Law) do not deter criminals for purchasing weapons? And how is it exactly that this new proposed law with help with this aspect? What particular part of this new law do you believe will aid in "keeping guns out of the wrong hands?"

This proposed bill is absolutely ludacris!!! It's taking away 2nd ammendment rights.

Whenever I see Obama referred to as "The One," I just tune it out because I know where it's coming from ...

The One is a fitting nickname. The man is about to spend more than $150 million on his inauguration/coronation. Liberals ridiculed GWB when he spent roughly a third as much eight years ago. Obama has a huge ego for a man who has not even tested the power of the presidency yet. He will take away as many guns from Americans as possible as he explains that it is for our own good.

I've already had someone break into my home. They would have done so whether or not I had a gun. My dog was there, and I'm confident that he's a big reason we had no bigger issue occur that night, nor any further issues occur since then.

 

The other day, a Sheriff came to our door looking for some guy named Kevin. My daughter was home and answered the door. Because my dog is undisciplined, we always step outside to speak to people who come to the door that we aren't going to invite in. As my daughter tries to explain than neither Rockmom, the Rockdaughter or the Rockson, or the guy who lives upstairs is named Kevin, Lucky is going crazy inside on the other side of the door, barking as if he'll tear someone up if they step through the door. The Sheriff repeatedly asked my daughter "what kind of dog she had in there". She kept telling him a half Jack Russell, half Beagle. He kept telling her there was no way, that Lucky was much bigger than that. :lol: She offered to open the door and show him, and he rapidly declined the offer. :lol:

 

I'm confident that I'm as safe with Lucky on guard as if I had a gun.

 

As I said, I'm fine if you own a gun, and it's your choice, because you have the right. But, I'm tired of being browbeat to try to convince me that any limitations on that right is the end of America as we know it. I'm tired of being told that it's a relative issue to me. It's not.

I'm also tired of seeing news reports of parents who left a gun loaded where a child could get to it. I'm tired of seeing reports of people who lend their guns to people who then misuse them. I'm tired of reading that a child killed himself or another because they were playing with guns. I'm tired of hearing that those lives don't matter. I'm tired of the hyperbole that because someone owns a gun, they are somehow safer or less apt to have a crime committed against them. It's simply not true, and there are many more logical, reasonable explanations for that, and many more ways to ensure one's safety than owning a gun.

 

To me, it's simply not a relevant issue. I'm apathetic, and simply don't understand how a gun makes one safer.

 

Succintly, if one takes normal precautionary measures, an average citizen won't have the need for a gun.

I am tired of reading about those kind of things as well. But my question is, how would registration, fingerprinting, or anything else prevent those kind of things? I only see these kind of measures as an infringement of my privacy.

 

All of these things would be prevented if people practiced gun safety. I own guns but they are all locked in my grandfather/father/or brother's gun cabinets several hours away (I have no use for a shotgun or rifle in Louisville). I practice gun safety because I was taught it by people in my life, I doubt registering for a gun would help any in preventing any of these matters, it would just aid the government's intrusion into my life.

The original no-smoking law was to not allow smoking on flights of less than a certain distance. A very reasonable request.

 

The intent of the non-smoking proponents was to ban cigarettes entirely. We're almost there.

 

I'm not saying this in support of smoking, I'm just using it as an example.

 

The anti-gun people want to ban guns entirely. The approach is always to do something that is reasonable. Then take a little more and a little more until they take all of it.

 

Over the years we have seen our rights infringed on by by small reasonable amounts over and over again. Gun advocates know this is how liberties are lost and will continue to fight every infingement with fervor.

 

For people who have ever taken a psychology course in their life..... this is the Foot-in-the-door phenomenon at its finest!:thumb:

 

Excellent, excellent post...

Where's the sleeping smilie when I need it...

Hey, the truth hurts ...

Hey, the truth hurts ...

Then you really don't know me at all if you think that. :lol: