I've already had someone break into my home. They would have done so whether or not I had a gun. My dog was there, and I'm confident that he's a big reason we had no bigger issue occur that night, nor any further issues occur since then.

 

The other day, a Sheriff came to our door looking for some guy named Kevin. My daughter was home and answered the door. Because my dog is undisciplined, we always step outside to speak to people who come to the door that we aren't going to invite in. As my daughter tries to explain than neither Rockmom, the Rockdaughter or the Rockson, or the guy who lives upstairs is named Kevin, Lucky is going crazy inside on the other side of the door, barking as if he'll tear someone up if they step through the door. The Sheriff repeatedly asked my daughter "what kind of dog she had in there". She kept telling him a half Jack Russell, half Beagle. He kept telling her there was no way, that Lucky was much bigger than that. :lol: She offered to open the door and show him, and he rapidly declined the offer. :lol:

 

I'm confident that I'm as safe with Lucky on guard as if I had a gun.

 

As I said, I'm fine if you own a gun, and it's your choice, because you have the right. But, I'm tired of being browbeat to try to convince me that any limitations on that right is the end of America as we know it. I'm tired of being told that it's a relative issue to me. It's not.

 

I'm also tired of seeing news reports of parents who left a gun loaded where a child could get to it. I'm tired of seeing reports of people who lend their guns to people who then misuse them. I'm tired of reading that a child killed himself or another because they were playing with guns. I'm tired of hearing that those lives don't matter. I'm tired of the hyperbole that because someone owns a gun, they are somehow safer or less apt to have a crime committed against them. It's simply not true, and there are many more logical, reasonable explanations for that, and many more ways to ensure one's safety than owning a gun.

 

To me, it's simply not a relevant issue. I'm apathetic, and simply don't understand how a gun makes one safer.

 

Succintly, if one takes normal precautionary measures, an average citizen won't have the need for a gun.

A dog isn't going to stop a drug crazed fool, a .357 will.

Believe me, I'm much more tired of my rights being infringed on and much more told that we need do nothing laws like this.

Lucky was just that ! I knew a person who was not so lucky. His house was broken into, his dog stabbed and killed and he was cleaned out by two knife carrying thugs. He said he would have something for them the next time. He was just very fortunate to get a second chance.

:thumb: Exactly!

The original no-smoking law was to not allow smoking on flights of less than a certain distance. A very reasonable request.

 

The intent of the non-smoking proponents was to ban cigarettes entirely. We're almost there.

 

I'm not saying this in support of smoking, I'm just using it as an example.

 

The anti-gun people want to ban guns entirely. The approach is always to do something that is reasonable. Then take a little more and a little more until they take all of it.

 

Over the years we have seen our rights infringed on by by small reasonable amounts over and over again. Gun advocates know this is how liberties are lost and will continue to fight every infingement with fervor.

 

There is no constitutional amendment concerning smoking.

 

There is one concerning the right to bear arms.

 

Therefore it would take more than Congressional act but a Constitutional change would have to occur to take away guns entirely.

 

So I don't believe your illustration is an apples to apples comparison. To ban guns it would take more than a slippery slope but a very conscious decision by the majority of the people (or their legislators) in this nation.

There is no constitutional amendment concerning smoking.

 

There is one concerning the right to bear arms.

 

Therefore it would take more than Congressional act but a Constitutional change would have to occur to take away guns entirely.

 

So I don't believe your illustration is an apples to apples comparison. To ban guns it would take more than a slippery slope but a very conscious decision by the majority of the people (or their legislators) in this nation.

On the bolded, I think the keyword here is entirely. The federal government, armed with the wrong (or right, depending on your perspective) Supreme Court constituency can make gun ownership so burdensome that few people will bother. There are SC decisions where the government rendered property virtually worthless through regulation yet the court held that the property owner was not entitled to compensation.

 

If the government can strip private citizens of property ownership rights without just compensation, it can certainly make gun ownership almost unbearable without repealing the Second Amendment.

On the bolded, I think the keyword here is entirely. The federal government, armed with the wrong (or right, depending on your perspective) Supreme Court constituency can make gun ownership so burdensome that few people will bother. There are SC decisions where the government rendered property virtually worthless through regulation yet the court held that the property owner was not entitled to compensation.

 

If the government can strip private citizens of property ownership rights without just compensation, it can certainly make gun ownership almost unbearable without repealing the Second Amendment.

 

 

I can agree with that assessment. However some things are worth the effort and I believe that legal and rightful gun ownership is one of those things. I recall the cases you are speaking of but were those decisions violations of the Bill of Rights in some way or form?

I'm trying hard to figure out why some are so offended by my position, and why the vehemence against my beliefs in the matter.

 

RTS, you mentioned my dog wouldn't deter a .357. Well, I doubt anything I may hypothetically own would do so, if I were surprised by a home invader.

 

There is simply no logical explanation why a gun is NECESSARY in the average citizen's life as a defense mechanism. Everyone throws out worst-case scenarios, but the reality is, even those are not preventable by excercising the right to own a gun.

I'm trying hard to figure out why some are so offended by my position, and why the vehemence against my beliefs in the matter.

 

RTS, you mentioned my dog wouldn't deter a .357. Well, I doubt anything I may hypothetically own would do so, if I were surprised by a home invader.

 

There is simply no logical explanation why a gun is NECESSARY in the average citizen's life as a defense mechanism. Everyone throws out worst-case scenarios, but the reality is, even those are not preventable by excercising the right to own a gun.

 

Latest stats on crime reported by your Government : a violent crime takes place every 22 seconds !How many ticks of the clock does it take for your turn to come up ?

Let's say you are awaken at night by someone trying to break into your home, Since you don't own a dog and it takes police on the average 12 minutes to respond, what are you going to do? It will take me less than 1 minute to retreive my handgun and defend my family. And I do practice firearm safety and practice with my gun to make sure I'm capable of using it properly.

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Can anyone that does not see a problem with this bill tell me one thing...

 

 

How would taking finger prints help deter a crime?

A dog isn't going to stop a drug crazed fool, a .357 will.

Believe me, I'm much more tired of my rights being infringed on and much more told that we need do nothing laws like this.

 

 

For what it's worth, it depends on the dog.

I'm trying hard to figure out why some are so offended by my position, and why the vehemence against my beliefs in the matter.

 

RTS, you mentioned my dog wouldn't deter a .357. Well, I doubt anything I may hypothetically own would do so, if I were surprised by a home invader.

 

There is simply no logical explanation why a gun is NECESSARY in the average citizen's life as a defense mechanism. Everyone throws out worst-case scenarios, but the reality is, even those are not preventable by excercising the right to own a gun.

No, I said your dog likely won’t deter a drug crazed fool and that a .357 will.

It's your opinion as to the nesstity of a gun in the average citizen's life as a defense mechanism, that's not really fair for you to say and part of the problem. Too many people think your way, they don't care but we gun owners are the ones that pay the price. I totally respect your position, I do vehemitly disagree with it be cause your way of thinking and others like you is beginning to cost me and people like me our rights. We're tired of it.

I'm not saying you don't have the right to feel the way you do, I just think your side needs to try to be more understanding of the gun owner and less fearful.

For what it's worth, it depends on the dog.

Not really. A knife can kill a dog pretty easily and I'm guessing you have no idea of what someone that's drug crazed is capable of.

There is no constitutional amendment concerning smoking.

 

There is one concerning the right to bear arms.

 

Therefore it would take more than Congressional act but a Constitutional change would have to occur to take away guns entirely.

 

So I don't believe your illustration is an apples to apples comparison. To ban guns it would take more than a slippery slope but a very conscious decision by the majority of the people (or their legislators) in this nation.

 

Right. The same majority that now has control of both the House and Senate, as well as the Presidency. Who, BTW, will likely be naming several SC justices during his tenure.

Not really. A knife can kill a dog pretty easily and I'm guessing you have no idea of what someone that's drug crazed is capable of.

 

Look you know I am on your side on most of this but a full blooded Rottweiler or similarly strong dog in protective mode could just as easily tear out the throat of a drug crazed fool faster than he could stab it. Of course at the same time he could stab it as fast. It is a 50/50 thing there, much like making sure you were conscious enough to grab your gun and make sure it was loaded in time to stop an intruder. It is a gamble, not a guarantee either way.

Latest stats on crime reported by your Government : a violent crime takes place every 22 seconds !How many ticks of the clock does it take for your turn to come up ?

 

 

Yet, I've lived 42 years, and never had a violent crime committed against me by a stranger.