I do not have disdain for homosexuals, I do, however, believe their lifestyle is sinful and disdain the sin. We are commanded by God to speak the truth in love. That is exactly why I posted my questions. In the end you will have to answer to God for your choice . . . I just wanted those who profess to be Christians to truly examine their hearts before deciding. I am still unable to wrap my mind around the fact that a true Christian could actually even consider voting for Obama considering his anti-biblical stance on these issues. God Bless.

 

What Biblical precedent are you using to limit the rights of those who you believe to be sinners? What Biblical precedent are you using to determine who is a sinner or not and deciding an appropriate solution to that sin outside of love?

Isn't adultry anti-biblical? Wouldn't that rule McCain out, with those stipulations?

 

No answer?

What good will it do? You won't believe them (which is your right), as my "position" comes from Obama's own words, which I believe (which is my right). I have answered UKMustang's question in a PM.

 

You are welcome to look at Rockmom's factcheck link earlier in this post.

:lol: Too much trouble to provide some facts of your own? The "factcheck" link even acknowledges that the Obama campaign's explanation has changed over time. What it does not explain is the reason that Obama's explanation changed over time. It was the revelation that Obama voted against a version of the bill in committee that contained the language that he claimed had been missing that forced his campaign to change its story.

 

You are correct about one thing. If all you have are Obama's words to refute the documented evidence, then your argument that Obama did not lie about the National Right To Life, Jill Stanek, and other critics and about his votes in the Illinois Senate would not be very compelling.

:lol: Too much trouble to provide some facts of your own? The "factcheck" link even acknowledges that the Obama campaign's explanation has changed over time. What it does not explain is the reason that Obama's explanation changed over time. It was the revelation that Obama voted against a version of the bill in committee that contained the language that he claimed had been missing that forced his campaign to change its story.

 

You are correct about one thing. If all you have are Obama's words to refute the documented evidence, then your argument that Obama did not lie about the National Right To Life, Jill Stanek, and other critics and about his votes in the Illinois Senate would not be very compelling.

 

ok.

1. How can you as a Christian vote for a candidate who is not only FOR abortion but infanticide? Obama is not FOR infanticide as many have already stated. Obama is pro-choice, not pro-abortion. I, and most other Democrats I know, are pro-Choice...not pro-abortion. I believe that I have no right to tell a woman what she can or cannot do. I am not a woman, I can't get pregnant and I will never know what that is like, so I have no right to dictate what a woman does. Sorry, but it's not my job to make up the rules or judge anyone.

 

2. How can you as a Christian vote for a candidate whose policies clearly denegrate the family system in promoting the Gay and Lesbian agenda (not just tolerating their lifestyle but endorsing it) and giving them "special rights" above and beyond what they already have as citizens? Obama is not going to give anyone more rights than you already have. It's not like the "gays" are going to take over and be given super-special-cool kid benefits. This just seems like a homophobic statement. I am completely for giving same-sex couples the same rights that heterosexual couples have. We are all created equal. BTW, how is it hurting the family system? Gay couples raise children just as well as heterosexual couples, and NO, just because a child has gay parents does not mean the child will be gay...this is fact, not my opinion. What exactly do you define as the "family system?" Are you referring to the "nuclear family" that only existed for a few decades? Because over the entire history of humans, the "nuclear family" was extremely short-lived and uncommon. Take an anthropology course and you will know this.

 

3. How can you as a Christian vote for a candidate who is against protecting the "Man-Woman" Marriage on the ballot? Did we not just address this one above? Anyways, this should be a state issue at best.

 

4. How can you as a Christian vote for a candidate who supports adoption of children by homosexuals? Again, homosexuals raise their children just as well and homosexual parents does not mean homosexual children, in fact there is no difference. - If you want my source for that fact, please read Child Development by John W. Santrock, Ph. D. University of Minnesota, Family Processes and Adolescent Development. - you can find the stats there.

 

5. How can you as a Christian vote for a candidate who supports Partial Birth abortion? Where nearly completing born live infants are stabbed in the back of the head and their brains are vacuumed out? HORRIBLE!!! Already explained my stance on abortion above.

Love the avatar, do not like the innuendo that you can't be vote for Obama and really be a Christian.

 

If that's the case, how can someone support declaring war on a country that did not attack us? Don't answer because of how evil their dictator clearly was (true) and how bad things were in their country. If that's the case, we should be attacking several other countries, too.

 

Why is this thread not aimed at voting for any democrat and not just Sen. Obama? After all, even though they are being twisted (Obama is not FOR infanticide), the premise behind your points come from the democratic platform.

 

 

Not trying to nit-pick here, but we actually have not declared war since 1941.

 

This is not an official war, the correct term is police action. Call it a war for simplification's sake but do not call it "declared."

Not trying to nit-pick here, but we actually have not declared war since 1941.

 

This is not an official war, the correct term is police action. Call it a war for simplification's sake but do not call it "declared."

 

Gotcha. :thumb: Thanks for the correction.

1. How can you as a Christian vote for a candidate who is not only FOR abortion but infanticide? Obama is not FOR infanticide as many have already stated.

No matter how many times Democrats make this statement it will contradict the facts. Obama voted against legislation that would have required hospitals to provide medical treatment to the victims of botched abortions and he lied about his reasons for doing so. On one occasion, the bill contained the language that Obama claimed for years would have allowed him to support the bill. The US Senate passed a nearly identical federal bill by a 98-0 margin. The Illinois bill that Obama opposed was so politically radioactive, even NARAL Pro-Choice America remained neutral on the bill.

I just love when politics and reliion gets put in the same thread. I am yet to see evidence on this infantcide voting.

No matter how many times Democrats make this statement it will contradict the facts. Obama voted against legislation that would have required hospitals to provide medical treatment to the victims of botched abortions and he lied about his reasons for doing so. On one occasion, the bill contained the language that Obama claimed for years would have allowed him to support the bill. The US Senate passed a nearly identical federal bill by a 98-0 margin. The Illinois bill that Obama opposed was so politically radioactive, even NARAL Pro-Choice America remained neutral on the bill.

 

Emphasizing the important part.

1. How can you as a Christian vote for a candidate who is not only FOR abortion but infanticide? Obama is not FOR infanticide as many have already stated. Obama is pro-choice, not pro-abortion. I, and most other Democrats I know, are pro-Choice...not pro-abortion. I believe that I have no right to tell a woman what she can or cannot do. I am not a woman, I can't get pregnant and I will never know what that is like, so I have no right to dictate what a woman does. Sorry, but it's not my job to make up the rules or judge anyone.

 

2. How can you as a Christian vote for a candidate whose policies clearly denegrate the family system in promoting the Gay and Lesbian agenda (not just tolerating their lifestyle but endorsing it) and giving them "special rights" above and beyond what they already have as citizens? Obama is not going to give anyone more rights than you already have. It's not like the "gays" are going to take over and be given super-special-cool kid benefits. This just seems like a homophobic statement. I am completely for giving same-sex couples the same rights that heterosexual couples have. We are all created equal. BTW, how is it hurting the family system? Gay couples raise children just as well as heterosexual couples, and NO, just because a child has gay parents does not mean the child will be gay...this is fact, not my opinion. What exactly do you define as the "family system?" Are you referring to the "nuclear family" that only existed for a few decades? Because over the entire history of humans, the "nuclear family" was extremely short-lived and uncommon. Take an anthropology course and you will know this.

 

3. How can you as a Christian vote for a candidate who is against protecting the "Man-Woman" Marriage on the ballot? Did we not just address this one above? Anyways, this should be a state issue at best.

 

4. How can you as a Christian vote for a candidate who supports adoption of children by homosexuals? Again, homosexuals raise their children just as well and homosexual parents does not mean homosexual children, in fact there is no difference. - If you want my source for that fact, please read Child Development by John W. Santrock, Ph. D. University of Minnesota, Family Processes and Adolescent Development. - you can find the stats there.

 

5. How can you as a Christian vote for a candidate who supports Partial Birth abortion? Where nearly completing born live infants are stabbed in the back of the head and their brains are vacuumed out? HORRIBLE!!! Already explained my stance on abortion above.

 

You need to read the Word of God and Obama needs to go back to his Rev J.Wright and stop claiming to be a Christian.

You need to read the Word of God and Obama needs to go back to his Rev J.Wright and stop claiming to be a Christian.

 

You know his personal relationship with God? How can you know this for anyone besides yourself?

Emphasizing the important part.

The bill had the language that Obama claimed that it was missing. That is the reason Obama gave for opposing the bill. When National Right To Life located a printed copy of the bill that Obama helped kill in committee, he shifted gears and stopped claiming that the language was missing. Those are the facts. They may not be pleasant ones for those who believe Obama to be an honest man but they are the facts nonetheless. He owes many people many apologies for calling them liars.

The bill had the language that Obama claimed that it was missing. That is the reason Obama gave for opposing the bill. When National Right To Life located a printed copy of the bill that Obama helped kill in committee, he shifted gears and stopped claiming that the language was missing. Those are the facts. They may not be pleasant ones for those who believe Obama to be an honest man but they are the facts nonetheless. He owes many people many apologies for calling them liars.

 

Nope.

Slow down thunder, don't put words in my mouth. I was merely implying that whenever anyone of similar religious bent gets involved in this manner the tone is usually the same.

 

With some notable exceptions.

 

Ok, just misread you.