Maybe because I broke it down to each question, but I agree that you also answered the question. :thumb:

 

 

Well, I guess I could have answered the same as I did, to the first question, and then just posted "ditto" to the others, but it really didn't seem necessary.

I don't believe that Sen. McCain and Sen. Obama are as far apart on the issue of abortion as some would have us believe.

 

Unlike many on this board, I believe that the "smokescreen issues" of sexuality and abortion/choice just don't hit home with a lot of folks; and that one of the reasons (not the only one, but one nevertheless) that a person of color is on the precipice of the presidency is that his message of hope and unification resonate more than messages of divisiveness.

Christian, not voting for McCain, I think I fit the criteria closely enough.

 

1. How can you as a Christian vote for a candidate who is not only FOR abortion but infanticide?

 

Obama doesn't support infanticide.

 

2. How can you as a Christian vote for a candidate whose policies clearly denegrate the family system in promoting the Gay and Lesbian agenda (not just tolerating their lifestyle but endorsing it) and giving them "special rights" above and beyond what they already have as citizens?

 

I don't believe allowing homosexuals to have the same rights as heterosexuals to be denigrating to families. I'm not aware of any homosexual to have caused the divorce of a married couple

 

3. How can you as a Christian vote for a candidate who is against protecting the "Man-Woman" Marriage on the ballot?

 

Marriage is a religious institution, outside of that I don't have any qualms with homosexuals being given the right to enter into civil unions, which is what Obama supports.

 

4. How can you as a Christian vote for a candidate who supports adoption of children by homosexuals?

 

Can homosexuals not make good parents? I think they can, and it is certainly better than the foster/orphanage/ward of state system we have now.

 

5. How can you as a Christian vote for a candidate who supports Partial Birth abortion? Where nearly completing born live infants are stabbed in the back of the head and their brains are vacuumed out? HORRIBLE!!!

 

I'm not aware of Obama's stance on partial-birth abortion, which I'm opposed to, but it isn't legal.

 

I do have a few questions of my own. Why, as a Christian, do you feel compelled to adopt such disdain for homosexuals? Perhaps you view it as a sin, which is fine, but what Biblical impetus do you have to act against them? I suppose I have a perverted view of the faith, at least according to most here, but I believe we are commanded to love everyone, and through that maybe others will see something (God) in the world they didn't previously. I'm also not aware of any theocratic structure of government adopted or proposed by Jesus.

 

1. How can you as a Christian vote for a candidate who is not only FOR abortion but infanticide?

 

2. How can you as a Christian vote for a candidate whose policies clearly denegrate the family system in promoting the Gay and Lesbian agenda (not just tolerating their lifestyle but endorsing it) and giving them "special rights" above and beyond what they already have as citizens?

 

3. How can you as a Christian vote for a candidate who is against protecting the "Man-Woman" Marriage on the ballot?

 

4. How can you as a Christian vote for a candidate who supports adoption of children by homosexuals?

 

5. How can you as a Christian vote for a candidate who supports Partial Birth abortion? Where nearly completing born live infants are stabbed in the back of the head and their brains are vacuumed out? HORRIBLE!!!

 

I have come to the conclusion that many Christians are nominal only professioning to believe but not posessing the Spirit of God. If you do not have enough spirtual discernment as a Christian to see that this man is directly opposed to our fundamental Christian values, I am concerned that maybe you have been deceived.

 

You basically asked 2 questions.

 

1. I am pro-choice. While I don't think an abortion is a necessarily desirable option, I don't think it's my place to tell women what they can and can't do. Also, I don't know that I could say with 100% certainty that if I got a girl pregnant I wouldn't think about abortion as an option, so I'm certainly not going to judge people who do.

 

2. Again, who am I to judge? I say let homosexuals get married. What they do is their business and not mine. We all sin, we all have our shortcomings. Theirs might be more in the open than everyone else's, but that doesn't make them worse. I do struggle with homosexual couples adopting children. I think this sets the kids up for a rough early life. But, as another poster said, if they'll be loved more by the homosexual couple, why not?

 

Here's what gets me though- it seems to be that Obama has a closer walk with God than McCain does. Obama has been very vocal about his faith and as exposed by the Wailing Wall-prayer stealing-journalist, humbles himself before God. Now I'm not trying to turn this into a "Who's more religious" thread, but McCain is very vague about his faith. Is McCain, by a Biblical definition, a Christian? I don't know if we could say for sure.

 

So if you're a Christian looking for a Godly man to support, I think you have to elect Obama.

^ Good post Habib. I would add, if one IS going to be judgemental, why not the same disdain for adulterous acts as for homosexual ones?

You basically asked 2 questions.

 

1. I am pro-choice. While I don't think an abortion is a necessarily desirable option, I don't think it's my place to tell women what they can and can't do. Also, I don't know that I could say with 100% certainty that if I got a girl pregnant I wouldn't think about abortion as an option, so I'm certainly not going to judge people who do.

 

2. Again, who am I to judge? I say let homosexuals get married. What they do is their business and not mine. We all sin, we all have our shortcomings. Theirs might be more in the open than everyone else's, but that doesn't make them worse. I do struggle with homosexual couples adopting children. I think this sets the kids up for a rough early life. But, as another poster said, if they'll be loved more by the homosexual couple, why not?

 

Here's what gets me though- it seems to be that Obama has a closer walk with God than McCain does. Obama has been very vocal about his faith and as exposed by the Wailing Wall-prayer stealing-journalist, humbles himself before God. Now I'm not trying to turn this into a "Who's more religious" thread, but McCain is very vague about his faith. Is McCain, by a Biblical definition, a Christian? I don't know if we could say for sure.

 

So if you're a Christian looking for a Godly man to support, I think you have to elect Obama.

 

The same thing could be said for either candidate, but there is no way to know about either of the two....McCain could be much more religious, or vice versa, but we may never know...

"I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful. I didn't 'fall out in church' as they say, but there was a very strong awakening in me of the importance of these issues in my life. I didn't want to walk alone on this journey. Accepting Jesus Christ in my life has been a powerful guide for my conduct and my values and my ideals." -Barack Obama

John McCain rarely speaks about his faith on the campaign trail.

 

So when an audience member here asked the Arizona senator on Saturday if he had "accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior," most of the voters gathered at Pete's Drive-In straightened up in their booths to pay attention.

 

"I am a man of faith," McCain quickly responded. "I have deep religious beliefs and values. I had experiences in my life where I had to rely on God not to get me through another day or another hour, but another minute."

 

McCain said he was proud to be "motivated by Judeo-Christian values" in his private and public life.

 

The same man asked McCain to clarify if that meant he had indeed welcomed Christ into his life.

 

"Sir, I attend North Phoenix Baptist Church which is my church of choice, and I also believe that talking too much about one's faith and religion in my view is something between me and God," said McCain, to audience applause.

John McCain rarely speaks about his faith on the campaign trail.

 

So when an audience member here asked the Arizona senator on Saturday if he had "accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior," most of the voters gathered at Pete's Drive-In straightened up in their booths to pay attention.

 

"I am a man of faith," McCain quickly responded. "I have deep religious beliefs and values. I had experiences in my life where I had to rely on God not to get me through another day or another hour, but another minute."

 

McCain said he was proud to be "motivated by Judeo-Christian values" in his private and public life.

 

The same man asked McCain to clarify if that meant he had indeed welcomed Christ into his life.

 

"Sir, I attend North Phoenix Baptist Church which is my church of choice, and I also believe that talking too much about one's faith and religion in my view is something between me and God," said McCain, to audience applause.

 

I agree with McCain here.

John McCain rarely speaks about his faith on the campaign trail.

 

So when an audience member here asked the Arizona senator on Saturday if he had "accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior," most of the voters gathered at Pete's Drive-In straightened up in their booths to pay attention.

 

"I am a man of faith," McCain quickly responded. "I have deep religious beliefs and values. I had experiences in my life where I had to rely on God not to get me through another day or another hour, but another minute."

 

McCain said he was proud to be "motivated by Judeo-Christian values" in his private and public life.

 

The same man asked McCain to clarify if that meant he had indeed welcomed Christ into his life.

 

"Sir, I attend North Phoenix Baptist Church which is my church of choice, and I also believe that talking too much about one's faith and religion in my view is something between me and God," said McCain, to audience applause.

 

If you pay close attention to his words, as he has instructed others to do with Obama, he does not say that he is "born again" - he said he has "relied on God", and is "motivated by Judeo-Christian value"

 

No claim to a "salvation event."

 

I don't think he is a Christian.

I agree with McCain here.

 

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No voter should use the religious beliefs of either candidate as a crutch for voting....We all know, or at least should, that Obama and McCain are both Christians. We all should also know that both men have the country's best interests at heart. Now whether we agree with those stances is another story, but no one should be questioning their motives IMO.

I agree with McCain here.

 

I agree, too. But to play devil's advocate here, if McCain is a Christian, shouldn't he be willing and even eager to admit it?

I agree, too. But to play devil's advocate here, if McCain is a Christian, shouldn't he be willing and even eager to admit it?

 

I don't believe in people "exposing (probably a bad choice of words)" their religious beliefs for purposes of politics....

I don't believe in people "exposing (probably a bad choice of words)" their religious beliefs for purposes of politics....

 

"Flaunting" might have been the word you were looking for.

 

But he was asked a straight up question. I don't think he'd be flaunting anything if he said "I'm a Christian who believes JC is my Savior." Instead he sidestepped the question.

Do they? Can you infer, beyond any doubt, based on all the facts surrounding Obama's voting record on the Illinois legislation, that Obama explicitly supports killing viable infants that have survived induced abortions?

How many infants would not be viable if they were placed in a soiled linen closet and then denied medical treatment? It is not a doctor's right to deny medical treatment to a living, breathing human being on the basis of potential "viability." Nor should that call belong to a pandering politician.

 

Obama consistently voted on the side of hospitals that denied the victims of botched abortions potentially life saving medical treatment and then he lied about his reasons for opposing the legislation. The record is very clear on this issue and is non-spinnable.

 

I know of no major religion that defends infanticide. Reasonable people may disagree on the point of when life begins but reasonable people agree that life has begun for live born, breathing human infants. The deserve the medical treatment that Obama voted to deny them.