I don't understand why people just can not be honest, it is a numbers game; plain and simple, as pointed many time NKY and Louisville is better in football. I agree with that but it all has to do with the Joeys and Jimmys nothing more nothing less. More people usually mean more kids, more kids usually mean more talent... let us just say for arguement if I was choosing from 300 boys or 3000 boys odds are I have more of a chance of finding more Jimmys and Joeys that can play the game at the 3000 choice. Saying that I know we have classes, but take for example a Beechwood, where is it located, how many people live within that location, odds are they will find more boys interested in football (for example) then the counterparts in the south or west.

Another point the school that consolidated and won the title two years ago (consolidated with Harrodsburg, I can not remember the name) did they have twenty years, no they had one! They had more Jimmys and Joeys, plain and simple. If the northern schools didn't win the titles year after year I would consider themselves failures due to this logic.

 

Now as far as the private debate, this is very simple as well, if they receive public money they should be allowed to participate in a public event, if they don't they should not. However, if they participate in a public event they must be govern by public rules.

 

What is so hard about all of this?

I have been thinking about the best way to class sports and have a seperation between the public and private schools.

 

We have 6 classes in football (duh, big red truck). Why not break down the other sports into two classes from the six classes we use for football. Have the schools that fall into 1A, 2A and 3A be in a class. And the 4A, 5A and 6A schools be in their own class. Then from that, break down the private schools. The private schools in the 1A, 2A and 3A could have their own class and do the same for the 4A, 5A and 6A. However, individual state titles such as wrestling, track, cross country, swimming, tennis and golf wouldnyt be affected, only the overall team title.

 

For example.

Basketball would have 4 state championships. 2 public (1-3A and 4-6A) and 2 private (1-3A and 4-6A).

 

 

I know it's not perfect, I just thought I'd throw it out there and see what everybody thinks.

 

This will not happen, and this is one of the reasons why wrestling is might not get split. One of the Head people at KHSAA said top people in the state think if wrestling splits, then it might lead to basketball. I don't think this makes a difference, but that is JMO.

 

Have the schools that fall into 1A, 2A and 3A be in a class. And the 4A, 5A and 6A schools be in their own class. Then from that, break down the private schools. The private schools in the 1A, 2A and 3A could have their own class and do the same for the 4A, 5A and 6A.

 

For example.

Basketball would have 4 state championships. 2 public (1-3A and 4-6A) and 2 private (1-3A and 4-6A).

 

And then we could go to the toughest basketball regions in the state, the

7th and the 11th, and divide those regions in half so that they each get two represetatives to Rupp Arena.

 

At some point you just have to accept the landscape the way it is and work, work, work to overcome obstacles and achieve the goal.

I don't understand why people just can not be honest, it is a numbers game; plain and simple, as pointed many time NKY and Louisville is better in football. I agree with that but it all has to do with the Joeys and Jimmys nothing more nothing less. More people usually mean more kids, more kids usually mean more talent... let us just say for arguement if I was choosing from 300 boys or 3000 boys odds are I have more of a chance of finding more Jimmys and Joeys that can play the game at the 3000 choice. Saying that I know we have classes, but take for example a Beechwood, where is it located, how many people live within that location, odds are they will find more boys interested in football (for example) then the counterparts in the south or west.

Another point the school that consolidated and won the title two years ago (consolidated with Harrodsburg, I can not remember the name) did they have twenty years, no they had one! They had more Jimmys and Joeys, plain and simple. If the northern schools didn't win the titles year after year I would consider themselves failures due to this logic.

 

Now as far as the private debate, this is very simple as well, if they receive public money they should be allowed to participate in a public event, if they don't they should not. However, if they participate in a public event they must be govern by public rules.

 

What is so hard about all of this?

 

How do the "public rules" actually differ from "private rules"? :confused:

The rules are not different at all. That argument gets made constantly, but it is simply a misperception. The rules are exactly the same. As has been pointed out on this board hundreds of times, any limits on public schools are self imposed. There are many differences between public and private schools, but the rules for athletics apply to all members of KHSAA.

In short, I agree we should have classified basketball but no where have I ever suggested KY should split the public and private schools in any sport.

 

This is what I said when Matney made the irresponsible comments about CovCath after the loss and it still holds true today. CovCath (and Highlands for example) have generally been doing things right for decades. Johnson Central just got their act together in the last few years. Johnson Central cannot expect to be able to compete on that level yet. Once Johnson Central commits to doing things right for 10 to 20 years they can be every bit as good as those schools and it has nothing to do with who is private and who is public.

 

Furthermore, this is true with most public schools. Look in the mirror, get your act together, support and build your football program for 20 plus years and then everything will fall into place. If you are a public school and you need more than those suggestions just go to our northern neighbor and examine why public schools in Ohio do just fine on the football field.

 

What you shouldn't do if you are a public school is whine and moan, throw stones from your glass house, make excuses, expect overnight results or act entitled in any way.

 

The problems with football in Kentucky is a public school problem because for the most part the public schools in KY largely underachieve. The mirror is a lonely place.

 

Can I add that it make not take 10 years???

 

Chuck Smith did it in Boyle in less; Kerry Combs did it in less at Colerain in Cincy.

I don't understand why people just can not be honest, it is a numbers game; plain and simple, as pointed many time NKY and Louisville is better in football. I agree with that but it all has to do with the Joeys and Jimmys nothing more nothing less. More people usually mean more kids, more kids usually mean more talent... let us just say for arguement if I was choosing from 300 boys or 3000 boys odds are I have more of a chance of finding more Jimmys and Joeys that can play the game at the 3000 choice. Saying that I know we have classes, but take for example a Beechwood, where is it located, how many people live within that location, odds are they will find more boys interested in football (for example) then the counterparts in the south or west.

Another point the school that consolidated and won the title two years ago (consolidated with Harrodsburg, I can not remember the name) did they have twenty years, no they had one! They had more Jimmys and Joeys, plain and simple. If the northern schools didn't win the titles year after year I would consider themselves failures due to this logic.

 

Now as far as the private debate, this is very simple as well, if they receive public money they should be allowed to participate in a public event, if they don't they should not. However, if they participate in a public event they must be govern by public rules.

 

What is so hard about all of this?

Nothing is so hard about what you posted. But you left out some important info in your Beechwood analogy. Yes Beechwood is located in a more populated area than other areas of the state so there are more kids interested in football. But, and here's the point you didn't acknowledge, there are many, many more choices of schools in N. Ky for those football interested kids to attend. Dixie Heights has a strong football program and isn't located more than 5 miles from Beechwood. CovCath has a strong football program and isn't located more than 2 miles from Beechwood. Highlands is probably within 15 miles of Beechwood. Same for Boone County. About the same for Ryle. NewCath is probably within 15 miles. Holy Cross, an improving program is probably less than 5 miles. Sure there is a lot more kids interested in football in N. Ky than in other areas, but there are a lot more schools with strong football programs located in the immediate vicinity also. Which results in that football talent getting dispersed throughout the schools. If there was one public school in Kenton County (where Beechwood is located) and maybe one independent or one private school, your point would be valid. But that is no where near the case, which is why Beechwood is a Class A school.

Nothing is so hard about what you posted. But you left out some important info in your Beechwood analogy. Yes Beechwood is located in a more populated area than other areas of the state so there are more kids interested in football. But, and here's the point you didn't acknowledge, there are many, many more choices of schools in N. Ky for those football interested kids to attend. Dixie Heights has a strong football program and isn't located more than 5 miles from Beechwood. CovCath has a strong football program and isn't located more than 2 miles from Beechwood. Highlands is probably within 15 miles of Beechwood. Same for Boone County. About the same for Ryle. NewCath is probably within 15 miles. Holy Cross, an improving program is probably less than 5 miles. Sure there is a lot more kids interested in football in N. Ky than in other areas, but there are a lot more schools with strong football programs located in the immediate vicinity also. Which results in that football talent getting dispersed throughout the schools. If there was one public school in Kenton County (where Beechwood is located) and maybe one independent or one private school, your point would be valid. But that is no where near the case, which is why Beechwood is a Class A school.

 

Fair enough, so there is alot of talent/money in N.Ky. My question is this, what would you think would happen, if for some reason the state of Kentucky said that no one could work across the border without paying a occupational tax of 40% to the state of Kentucky. People would move, what would happen to the talent, move with the families. This is what sort of happened in Eastern Ky, when the coal dried up!

Fair enough, so there is alot of talent/money in N.Ky. My question is this, what would you think would happen, if for some reason the state of Kentucky said that no one could work across the border without paying a occupational tax of 40% to the state of Kentucky. People would move, what would happen to the talent, move with the families. This is what sort of happened in Eastern Ky, when the coal dried up!

 

I'm not disputing that there is a greater number of talented athletes in the highly populated areas for whatever reason (coal drying up or whatever). I was just pointing out that there are more, a lot more, of that talent to be dispersed over in the highly populated areas also and that it doesn't all get funneled into one or even two schools.

I'm not disputing that there is a greater number of talented athletes in the highly populated areas for whatever reason (coal drying up or whatever). I was just pointing out that there are more, a lot more, of that talent to be dispersed over in the highly populated areas also and that it doesn't all get funneled into one or even two schools.

 

I understand that:thumb:

 

Some of these posters, not all, talk about how great the NKY or Louisville sports are I just wanted to point out, not everyone has the same resources (kids), due in large part to the geographic location. Is that their fault, no certainly not, is it Eastern Ky fault, in part due to poor planning, and now you are seeing the pitfalls from that. Take Pikeville for an example, used to win the State Title, now maybe a region title here or there, just don't have the same Jimmy's Johnny's they once had.

 

I also realize Belfry has won the title recently but, it was in a weak 2a, and I have another issue, but would not dare bring it up on line.

 

So when everyone talks how great something is, just remember it is due to the resources nothing more nothing less.

Fair enough, so there is alot of talent/money in N.Ky. My question is this, what would you think would happen, if for some reason the state of Kentucky said that no one could work across the border without paying a occupational tax of 40% to the state of Kentucky. People would move, what would happen to the talent, move with the families. This is what sort of happened in Eastern Ky, when the coal dried up!

 

Coal hasn't dried up by any stretch of the imagination. We have plenty of Coal today in the mountains of Eastern Ky. The only draw back of Coal today is that 1 miner can do what it took several miners to do in the early years. We as a state and nation should be pushing coal today more than ever before. Coal is one of the answers to paying close to 4 bucks a gallon of gas. It is time this nation quits depending on foreign oil and put the people of the coal fields back to work. Coal to liquid fuel is the answer not only for Southeast Kentucky but for our great nation as a whole. If we as a nation would do this we would be much better off in both the short and long term. Besides more Jimmy's and Joe's would came with more job opportunities.

I would hate to see public and private schools separated. We at Beechwood love to play the private schools!

 

I do believe that all sports should be classified according to size. Football and track are classified, but not volleyball, basketball and baseball. That makes it tough for small schools like ours.

I understand that:thumb:

 

 

I also realize Belfry has won the title recently but, it was in a weak 2a, and I have another issue, but would not dare bring it up on line.

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Hmmm.........does that issue involve Belfry's proximity to the border?

Not going there... perfer to keep it clean and I do enjoy this discussion.

not going there... perfer to keep it clean and I do enjoy this discussion

 

When you're ready to discuss that topic lemme know