We are just speculating but a multiplier is a horrible idea because it wouldn't address the major perceived problem.

 

I agree! However, something is better than nothing.

Ok I heard in 6A this year that Trinity and St.X are on the same side of the bracket. Can anyone confirm this?

With all the conversation about the biggest 16 schools and the smallest 16 schools being in 6A and 1A respectively. I have divided the teams accordingly. The biggest 16 schools make up 6A, the smallest 16 schools make up 1A. The other 189 schools are divided up equally for 2A-5A. All schools are listed from largest to smallest. Enjoy.

 

6A

Trinity

St. Xavier

Paul Dunbar

Henderson Co.

Henrey Clay

Lafatette

Eastern

Scott County

Pleasure Ridge Park

Daviess Co.

Seneca

Tates Creek

Dupont Manual

Central Hardin

George Rogers Clark

Madison Central

 

5A

Conner

Ballard

Nelson County

Campbell County

Southern

Ryle

Meade County

Boone County

Shelby County

Male

Simon Kenton

Marshall County

Harlan Consolidated

Butler

Fern Creek

North Hardin

Greenwood

Apollo

Graves County

Bullitt Central

South Laurel

Dixie Heights

John Hardin

Christian County

North Laurel

Iroquois

Bryan Station

Waggener

Lincoln County

Oldham County

Scott

Whitley County

Grayson County

Ohio County

Montgomery County

Warren Central

Barren County

Clay County

Doss

Jeffersontown

Woodford County

Anderson County

Southwestern

Grant County

Madisonville-North Hopkins

Owensboro

Letcher County Central

Hopkinsville

 

4A

Ashland Blazer

Mercer Consolidated

Perry County Central

Bowling Green

South Oldham

Holmes

Johnson Central

Pulaski County

Hopkins County

Western

Harrison County

Valley

North Bullitt

West Jessamine

Madison Southern

Boyd County

Logan County

Rockcastle County

Franklin-Simpson

Calloway County

Rowan County

Covington Catholic

Bullitt East

East Jessamine

Marion County

Franklin County

Allen County-Scottsville

Fairdale

Knox Central

Boyle County

Lexington Catholic

Greenup County

Atherton

McCreary Central

Breckinridge County

Lawrence County

Russell County

Pendleton County

Bell County

Bourbon County

Larue County

Warren East

Muhlenberg North

Lone Oak

Highlands

Mason County

Taylor County

 

3A

 

East Ridge

Powell County

North Oldham

Paducah Tilghman

Elizabethtown

Pike County Central

Adair County

Moore

Hart County

Garrard County

Shawnee

East Carter

Butler County

Russell

Muhlenberg South

Spencer County

Fleming County

Belfry

Wayne County

Magoffin County

Estill County

Webster Consolidated

Union County

Western Hills

Lewis County

Sheldon Clark

Jackson County

Breathitt County

Edmonson County

Casey County

West Carter

Central

Henry County

Knott County Central

Leslie County

Morgan County

Prestonsburg

Shelby Valley

Lloyd Memorial

Owen County

Trigg County

Corbin

Washington County

Heath

DeSales

Caldwell County

 

2A

 

Fort Campbell

Monroe County

Reidland

Glasgow

Bath County

Owensboro Catholic

Danville

Todd County Central

Christian Academy-Louisville

Carroll County

Newport

Hancock County

Bardstown

Newport Central Catholic

Fort Knox

Middlesboro

Clinton County

McLean County

Murray

Green County

Metcalfe County

Somerset

Holy Cross (Covington)

Betsy Layne

Trimble County

Lexington Christian

Ballard Memorial

Pikeville

Crittenden County

Mayfield

Gallatin County

Bracken County

Allen Central

South Floyd

Campbellsville

Berea

Russellville

Beechwood

Lynn Camp

Frankfort

Nicholas County

Holy Cross (Louisville)

Ludlow

Hazard

Phelps

Raceland

Dayton

 

1A

Fairview

Bethlehem

Bellevue

Harlan

Fulton County

Paintsville

Caverna

Kentucky Country Day

Paris

Williamsburg

Jenkins

Eminence

Pineville

Fulton City

Beth Haven

Evangelical Christian

I agree! However, something is better than nothing.

 

Your response is ambiguous.

 

All I can say is I strongly disagree with a multiplier for many reasons and for what it is worth I think there is zero talk about a multiplier among the people that matter.

With all the conversation about the biggest 16 schools and the smallest 16 schools being in 6A and 1A respectively. I have divided the teams accordingly. The biggest 16 schools make up 6A, the smallest 16 schools make up 1A. The other 189 schools are divided up equally for 2A-5A. All schools are listed from largest to smallest. Enjoy.

 

6A

Trinity

St. Xavier

Paul Dunbar

Henderson Co.

Henrey Clay

Lafatette

Eastern

Scott County

Pleasure Ridge Park

Daviess Co.

Seneca

Tates Creek

Dupont Manual

Central Hardin

George Rogers Clark

Madison Central

 

5A

Conner

Ballard

Nelson County

Campbell County

Southern

Ryle

Meade County

Boone County

Shelby County

Male

Simon Kenton

Marshall County

Harlan Consolidated

Butler

Fern Creek

North Hardin

Greenwood

Apollo

Graves County

Bullitt Central

South Laurel

Dixie Heights

John Hardin

Christian County

North Laurel

Iroquois

Bryan Station

Waggener

Lincoln County

Oldham County

Scott

Whitley County

Grayson County

Ohio County

Montgomery County

Warren Central

Barren County

Clay County

Doss

Jeffersontown

Woodford County

Anderson County

Southwestern

Grant County

Madisonville-North Hopkins

Owensboro

Letcher County Central

Hopkinsville

 

4A

Ashland Blazer

Mercer Consolidated

Perry County Central

Bowling Green

South Oldham

Holmes

Johnson Central

Pulaski County

Hopkins County

Western

Harrison County

Valley

North Bullitt

West Jessamine

Madison Southern

Boyd County

Logan County

Rockcastle County

Franklin-Simpson

Calloway County

Rowan County

Covington Catholic

Bullitt East

East Jessamine

Marion County

Franklin County

Allen County-Scottsville

Fairdale

Knox Central

Boyle County

Lexington Catholic

Greenup County

Atherton

McCreary Central

Breckinridge County

Lawrence County

Russell County

Pendleton County

Bell County

Bourbon County

Larue County

Warren East

Muhlenberg North

Lone Oak

Highlands

Mason County

Taylor County

 

3A

 

East Ridge

Powell County

North Oldham

Paducah Tilghman

Elizabethtown

Pike County Central

Adair County

Moore

Hart County

Garrard County

Shawnee

East Carter

Butler County

Russell

Muhlenberg South

Spencer County

Fleming County

Belfry

Wayne County

Magoffin County

Estill County

Webster Consolidated

Union County

Western Hills

Lewis County

Sheldon Clark

Jackson County

Breathitt County

Edmonson County

Casey County

West Carter

Central

Henry County

Knott County Central

Leslie County

Morgan County

Prestonsburg

Shelby Valley

Lloyd Memorial

Owen County

Trigg County

Corbin

Washington County

Heath

DeSales

Caldwell County

 

2A

 

Fort Campbell

Monroe County

Reidland

Glasgow

Bath County

Owensboro Catholic

Danville

Todd County Central

Christian Academy-Louisville

Carroll County

Newport

Hancock County

Bardstown

Newport Central Catholic

Fort Knox

Middlesboro

Clinton County

McLean County

Murray

Green County

Metcalfe County

Somerset

Holy Cross (Covington)

Betsy Layne

Trimble County

Lexington Christian

Ballard Memorial

Pikeville

Crittenden County

Mayfield

Gallatin County

Bracken County

Allen Central

South Floyd

Campbellsville

Berea

Russellville

Beechwood

Lynn Camp

Frankfort

Nicholas County

Holy Cross (Louisville)

Ludlow

Hazard

Phelps

Raceland

Dayton

 

1A

Fairview

Bethlehem

Bellevue

Harlan

Fulton County

Paintsville

Caverna

Kentucky Country Day

Paris

Williamsburg

Jenkins

Eminence

Pineville

Fulton City

Beth Haven

Evangelical Christian

 

 

What I would like to see happen if they did this is to make class 1A an 8-Man division. Some of these schools could barely field a team for 11-man but with a 8-man team, if you have 11+, then you're doing fairly well for turnout. Plus 8-man football is really fun to watch.

I would like to see them if the super class was implemented that if you want to move up then you must move to the super class or play in your class you are assigned. I still think you will see the 6 class system and that you will have to play in the class assigned.

Your response is ambiguous.

 

All I can say is I strongly disagree with a multiplier for many reasons and for what it is worth I think there is zero talk about a multiplier among the people that matter.

 

I understand that both sides will have to give up something. I would hold firm with a split, if I were there to debate the problem. At least get the financial aid and boundaries under control. However, the reason I say a multiplier is, that in most states, this is where they go with trying to satisfy the problem. In Ky I think that they just want to be quiet and hope it goes away. Like Coach from NCC said "fuel the debate". They are just sitting and hoping for us to go away. I include the KHSAA. It is obvious that the majority are for a split. That is "people that matter". What has anyone done?

It is obvious that the majority are for a split. That is "people that matter". What has anyone done?

 

The "people that matter" are the kids playing the sports. Not the coaches, not the ADs, not the parents who are for anything that will help little Johnny win a championship ring. If you asked the kids, I think you'd be surprised by the results. And for what it's worth, the majority on this site, which seems to be a pretty decent representation of the state, are against the split.

The "people that matter" are the kids playing the sports. Not the coaches, not the ADs, not the parents who are for anything that will help little Johnny win a championship ring. If you asked the kids, I think you'd be surprised by the results. And for what it's worth, the majority on this site, which seems to be a pretty decent representation of the state, are against the split.

 

I disagree, kids could care less who they play, they just want to play. You care. Your saying that X will be playing Lex Cath. instead of T for a championship they will be dissapointed?

What I would like to see happen if they did this is to make class 1A an 8-Man division. Some of these schools could barely field a team for 11-man but with a 8-man team, if you have 11+, then you're doing fairly well for turnout. Plus 8-man football is really fun to watch.

 

But do you force teams to stay in 8 man that would fall in this class. Like Harlan, Paintsville, and Williamsburg have pretty good success at 11 man football so should they be forced to play 8 man. I like this idea as is with everyone playing 11 man, if you can't field 11 man then a few more teams would be added in to this 16 1A class.

Bell, I know of one study that was conducted that surveyed 403 individuals in Jefferson County either with children in high school or in high school themselves regarding Prop 20 nearly two years ago when this first got some teeth. The majority were against Prop 20 (179 were in support of Prop 20 out of the 403) and the really interesting thing is that of the persons 16-18 that were surveyed, fewer than 1% were for it. 66% of all surveyed thought that private schools put more emphasis on athletics and 74% said they thought privates put more emphasis on academics. Of the 403 surveyed only 26 people had graduated from a private high school.

 

A few caveats. This was done in 2006 and in Jefferson Co. only and was not a scientific study.

But do you force teams to stay in 8 man that would fall in this class. Like Harlan, Paintsville, and Williamsburg have pretty good success at 11 man football so should they be forced to play 8 man. I like this idea as is with everyone playing 11 man, if you can't field 11 man then a few more teams would be added in to this 16 1A class.

 

what and how does an eight man game work? I am interested.

what and how does an eight man game work? I am interested.

Normally, you just take the two offensive tackles and one running back out. You have a center two guards, two receivers, a quarterback, and two running backs (or one running back and one additional receiver).

 

Some states that do not have big football turnout due to population or other competitive sports have 8-Man Football.

 

Texas and California have quite a few 8-Man football teams.

8 man football in High School would be pointless. If you can't field 11 then don't have a team.

 

and it's the same ol discussion, Private supporters want this and Public supporters want this. Both sides back up what they want with polls etc etc.

 

The real problem in Kentucky sports is the lack of classification for all other sports. The KHSAA is outdated in thier approach to all other sports except track which is classed for some reason....

Ram, there's no way there going to cut back to 16 teams in 1a. There would only be 2 teams in the west and everything else is 3-4 plus hours away. Wouldn't be great on Fulton Co or Fulton City. They're talking about a super division, but, not limiting 1a. I like the idea of 16 in 6a, but, the next 5 classes would be divided equally...