You haven't changed your pivot foot. You simply don't have one. Just as in a jump stop, you have NO pivot foot. Also, you can't begin a dribble without a pivot foot.

Now just think about that for a minute. You can't lift your pivot?

 

Check Rule 4 in the NFHS rulebook, it's specifically states that you can LIFT your pivot foot but the ball must be released before the player returns to the floor.

 

Read the entire thread and you'll see what I meant in this early post. I was talking about while you're holding the ball.

Say what you want, Wireman is right. Once a pivot foot, always a pivot foot.:walk:

 

 

No one is arguing that. The debate is when the pivot foot is lifted (legal) what has to happen before a traveling violation is called.

If you pick up your pivot foot and do not perform some type of basketball move (pass or shot) you have changed your pivot foot (doesn't matter when it touches again). You must have your pivot foot in contact with floor unless it is a pass or shot. Just standing like a stork is not a basketball move therefore a travel. 99.9% of the officials will call a travel on that effort.

 

So another word's if you lift the pivot foot and stand like a stork(without shooting or passing) it is a walk. Regardless if it is in the rule book or not, it is called for a walk 99% of the time.

 

Well, that would be a travel because you're changing your pivot foot then unless you start a dribble.

 

All of the above are incorrect.

Some of you have gotten distracted by the "stork" comment. The original intent was to point out that when you yell "he lifted his pivot foot" at an official and you are looking for a call, you are incorrect. You have nothing until you see what happens when the pivot foot touches the floor again. THAT's when you decide if you have a travel.

 

Lets say my right foot is my pivot. I'm pivoting and that trying to free myself from a defender. I'm near the OOB line. I take a step with my free foot and then lift my pivot foot getting ready to pass. The fact that I lifted my pivot foot does not dictate a travel call. That's the point. I'm allowed to have my pivot foot off the ground without it being a travel.

It doesnt matter what the rule is. . if you have a pivot foot and then stand with it in the air thats going to be called a walk no matter what type of bogus technicality you find in the rule book.

 

:confused: Bogus Technicality?? :confused: So you're saying there's a rule in the rule book that isn't a rule?

Some of you have gotten distracted by the "stork" comment. The original intent was to point out that when you yell "he lifted his pivot foot" at an official and you are looking for a call, you are incorrect. You have nothing until you see what happens when the pivot foot touches the floor again. THAT's when you decide if you have a travel.

 

Lets say my right foot is my pivot. I'm pivoting and that trying to free myself from a defender. I'm near the OOB line. I take a step with my free foot and then lift my pivot foot getting ready to pass. The fact that I lifted my pivot foot does not dictate a travel call. That's the point. I'm allowed to have my pivot foot off the ground without it being a travel.

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I thought of a more real-world example.

 

PG has the ball out top dribbling and is going to pass to the wing. Just as he starts to pass,he sees the wing is covered up (not open). He realizes this during his motion. The fans will scream for a "walk" when his pivot foot comes off the floor and he pauses because he doesn't pass immediately. Not a walk.

Just to get in on this......

 

In the NBA they allow 2 steps, then the 3rd step counts as a pivot and you ARE allowed to lift off of it .....and come down if needed too create a highlight or top 10 play list...........

 

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I thought of a more real-world example.

 

PG has the ball out top dribbling and is going to pass to the wing. Just as he starts to pass,he sees the wing is covered up (not open). He realizes this during his motion. The fans will scream for a "walk" when his pivot foot comes off the floor and he pauses because he doesn't pass immediately. Not a walk.

 

It's also evident in an up and under move...

Some of you have gotten distracted by the "stork" comment. The original intent was to point out that when you yell "he lifted his pivot foot" at an official and you are looking for a call, you are incorrect. You have nothing until you see what happens when the pivot foot touches the floor again. THAT's when you decide if you have a travel.

 

Lets say my right foot is my pivot. I'm pivoting and that trying to free myself from a defender. I'm near the OOB line. I take a step with my free foot and then lift my pivot foot getting ready to pass. The fact that I lifted my pivot foot does not dictate a travel call. That's the point. I'm allowed to have my pivot foot off the ground without it being a travel.

 

That is correct because you are attempting a basketball move! You made the water murkey with the stork comment.

That is correct because you are attempting a basketball move! You made the water murkey with the stork comment.

 

I realize people got off track due to the comment about the "stork." However, the rule says nothing about a "basketball move." Sometimes you exaggerate something to make a point. There is no provision in the wording in the rulebook saying anything about a "basketball move." Technically, I could first establish a pivot foot then LIFT that pivot foot off the ground and just hold the ball in that position without it being a travel. This exaggerated scenario is used to show the false assumption made by many fans when they yell "he lifted his foot."

It's also evident in an up and under move...

 

Yes.

I thought of a more real-world example.

 

PG has the ball out top dribbling and is going to pass to the wing. Just as he starts to pass,he sees the wing is covered up (not open). He realizes this during his motion. The fans will scream for a "walk" when his pivot foot comes off the floor and he pauses because he doesn't pass immediately. Not a walk.

 

Ironic that an hour or so after I post the above I see it a)in the UConn game with Thabeet and then b)it incorrectly be called a travel. The travel call is often made IMO because something looks odd even though when you watch the replay, it was completely legal. I'm not being critical of the officials because its a snap decision and I understand the logic ie "something didnt' look right - it must have been a travel."

Ironic that an hour or so after I post the above I see it a)in the UConn game with Thabeet and then b)it incorrectly be called a travel. The travel call is often made IMO because something looks odd even though when you watch the replay, it was completely legal. I'm not being critical of the officials because its a snap decision and I understand the logic ie "something didnt' look right - it must have been a travel."

 

I see this happening sometimes also. But you can't watch a replay on every single play, most of the time when it looks odd, it is a travel.