I don't know what you would call, but I have to say that I would be impressed.

 

:thumb: Definately!!

I've been here the whole time, my man. I've been reading it from the start. I think YOU should go back and check where I have made several posts.

 

I know what we are talking about, and it is the same thing. It is lifting the pivot foot. He makes a move to go to the basket, lifts his pivot foot when he steps on the other one before he puts the dribble down. Let's say the player makes that step and gets cut off and decides to stop and keep that foot in the air. You dont think that is going to get called a walk? I'd like to hear how you think stepping on the other foot and lifting his pivot foot before putting down a dribble is different than what you are describing.

 

Never once have we talked about starting a dribble. You are 100% correct on the issue of lifting the pivot foot when starting a dribble. You'll notice, however, in say the debate that Wireman and I had that we were talking about ONLY the pivot foot being lifted prior to a shot or pass.

 

Even in my UConn Thabeet example it was called a walk prior to him making a pass. PASS/SHOT is the debate at hand. That's obvious since we have not also debated the issue of going up for a shot and then starting your dribble, right?

 

So what exactly am I sidestepping?

Never once have we talked about starting a dribble. You are 100% correct on the issue of lifting the pivot foot when starting a dribble. You'll notice, however, in say the debate that Wireman and I had that we were talking about ONLY the pivot foot being lifted prior to a shot or pass.

 

Even in my UConn Thabeet example it was called a walk prior to him making a pass. PASS/SHOT is the debate at hand. That's obvious since we have not also debated the issue of going up for a shot and then starting your dribble, right?

 

So what exactly am I sidestepping?

 

Oh, OK!! I see now. You all were talking about a pass/shot after the pivot lifted. See, I knew I was missing something because this argument was elementary basketball 101. I thought that we were both correct if I could just figure out what everyone meant.

No, he is correct. Once the pivot foot has been established, by let's say a player pivoting on that foot, then he/she resets both feet(the pivot foot doesn't change) he CANNOT lift that pivot foot unless he starts his/her dribble. I think that is what he was talking about. I think we all might be a bit confused as to what the other is trying to say on this topic, I know I am.

 

UK- the above , as worded, is not correct. You say that once the pivot foot has been established "he CANNOT lift that pivot foot unless he starts his/her dribble."

 

That's not true. He can lift his pivot foot first and THEN either shoot or pass. As Bellallum correctly stated, the pivot foot cannot be lifted before starting a dribble.

UK- the above , as worded, is not correct. You say that once the pivot foot has been established "he CANNOT lift that pivot foot unless he starts his/her dribble."

 

That's not true. He can lift his pivot foot first and THEN either shoot or pass. As Bellallum correctly stated, the pivot foot cannot be lifted before starting a dribble.

 

Well, that's basis basketball. I thought that was already understood. I obviously know that, if you don't then you don't know anything about basketball. If I remember correctly he didn't state anything about a pass or shot but if that's what he was implying then my apologies, he is correct.

 

That's what I stated earlier, this is such elementary basketball that I think we are all trying to imply the same thing with different wording and confusing one another. I know that I was confused as to what people were trying to point out.

 

As worded it is true ....BUT there is more to the rule too. I believe you all are trying to say that the actual violation does not occur until the pivot returns to the ground if the player does not pass or shoot. I thinks that's what your saying and that IS true.

 

I'll say this, a player who establishes a pivot foot (by let's say pivoting on that foot) may not lift his pivot foot unless he/she starts his dribble OR rises for a pass or shot. If he/she returns to the floor with the ball, a violation has occurred.

That's what I stated earlier, this is such elementary basketball that I think we are all trying to imply the same thing with different wording and confusing one another. .

 

Agreed. As I stated earlier with Wireman, its hard to "read into" what the words mean. When you say "start a dribble," does that mean at anytime? Before the pivot foot is lifted? After? When it comes to rules, the details matter and this type of forum where you can't immediately ask or hear makes it more challenging.

Agreed. As I stated earlier with Wireman, its hard to "read into" what the words mean. When you say "start a dribble," does that mean at anytime? Before the pivot foot is lifted? After? When it comes to rules, the details matter and this type of forum where you can't immediately ask or hear makes it more challenging.

 

Which makes it so much fun to sit back and enjoy the debate.:ylsuper:

Which makes it so much fun to sit back and enjoy the debate.:ylsuper:

:thumb:You got that right, just sit and read. I have had more fun reading this thread then any other thread I have ever seen on BGP. Funny stuff.

Never once have we talked about starting a dribble. You are 100% correct on the issue of lifting the pivot foot when starting a dribble. You'll notice, however, in say the debate that Wireman and I had that we were talking about ONLY the pivot foot being lifted prior to a shot or pass.

 

Even in my UConn Thabeet example it was called a walk prior to him making a pass. PASS/SHOT is the debate at hand. That's obvious since we have not also debated the issue of going up for a shot and then starting your dribble, right?

 

So what exactly am I sidestepping?

 

I think we are on the right path, but if you think about it in the way you have described it, why is dribbling excluded? It is pretty obvious you can take a step and lift the pivot foot on a shot or a pass. I dont know why anyone would have an issue with that. However, you are releasing the ball in all 3 instances, so I would wonder why its different.

I think we are on the right path, but if you think about it in the way you have described it, why is dribbling excluded? It is pretty obvious you can take a step and lift the pivot foot on a shot or a pass. I dont know why anyone would have an issue with that. However, you are releasing the ball in all 3 instances, so I would wonder why its different.

 

Why? Good question.

 

However, it would open up the possibiliity of a player going up for a jumper and then , realizing its not a good choice, start his dribble before he lands. It would also put the defense at a disadvantage on the perimeter when you would be allowing an offensive player to essentially get a running start before he even dribbles.