I was thinking from NFHS and you may be right. I've seen the OF/IF several times, and 2 bases, were awarded. Not sure, I've seen a 2nd throw from the IF enter into dead ball area, in a HS game. It might be, I have 2nd occurrence and 2nd throw confused also.

 

Good questions and to clarify, is the 2B because the ball didn't leave the field "in-flight"?

 

Correct. Once ball hits wall, it is no longer "in flight." The ball remains in play but a catch is not allowed. The batter is given two bases when any bounding fair ball is deflected by the fielder over or under a fence. Since the ball struck the wall before it made contact with the player, it became a "bounding" ball and was no longer legally "in flight."

Maybe a difference in NFHS vs. MLB rules? I

 

I was told that the rule is the same for all rulebooks. 2 bases from the time of the throw. Runner awarded home, batter to 2nd.

I was told that the rule is the same for all rulebooks. 2 bases from the time of the throw. Runner awarded home, batter to 2nd.

 

Not necessarily. When the wild throw is the first play by an infielder, the awarding of two bases shall be governed by the position of the runners at the time the ball was pitched. In all other cases (such as if the wild throw was the second play by the infielder), the award shall be determined by the position of the runners at the time the wild throw was made. The term "when the wild throw was made" means when the throw actually left the player's hand.

 

If all runners, including the batter-runner, have advanced at least one base when an infielder makes a wild throw on the first play after a pitch, the award shall be governed by the position of the runners when the wild throw was made. Obviously, this would be pretty rare to have an infielder make his throw to 1B so late that the BR had actually crossed the base (personally, I'd kill my infielder if he did that. ), but if he did do so, this would put the BR on 3B, not 2B.

 

The above information can be found in OBR 7.05(g).

Not necessarily. When the wild throw is the first play by an infielder, the awarding of two bases shall be governed by the position of the runners at the time the ball was pitched. In all other cases (such as if the wild throw was the second play by the infielder), the award shall be determined by the position of the runners at the time the wild throw was made. The term "when the wild throw was made" means when the throw actually left the player's hand.

 

If all runners, including the batter-runner, have advanced at least one base when an infielder makes a wild throw on the first play after a pitch, the award shall be governed by the position of the runners when the wild throw was made. Obviously, this would be pretty rare to have an infielder make his throw to 1B so late that the BR had actually crossed the base (personally, I'd kill my infielder if he did that. ), but if he did do so, this would put the BR on 3B, not 2B.

 

The above information can be found in OBR 7.05(g).

 

Ok. Again let me re-phrase . My awarding of the bases was based on your example where it was NOT the first play by an infielder.

LongtimeCoach,

 

That depends on what it hits on the mound, if it just hits the dirt and bounces in but does not cross first its a foul ball. If it his the rubber, rosin bag, or spike cleaner then it is a ground rule double (same as if the ball bounces over the outfield fence)

Ok. Again let me re-phrase . My awarding of the bases was based on your example where it was NOT the first play by an infielder.

 

:thumb: Thought you were meaning that all overthrows were awarded two bases at the time of the throw. I need to get myself an NFHS rulebook. I've been told that the primary differences between NFHS and MLB rules have to do with balks and that almost all other rules are the same, but that is just hearsay.

LongtimeCoach,

 

That depends on what it hits on the mound, if it just hits the dirt and bounces in but does not cross first its a foul ball. If it his the rubber, rosin bag, or spike cleaner then it is a ground rule double (same as if the ball bounces over the outfield fence)

 

Don't think that's correct. Do you have a rule cite for this? If it hits the pitching plate and ricochets into the dugout - and assuming the ball does not pass the first base bag before it enters into the dugout - it is a foul ball. To be a fair ball, a ground ball always has to pass the 1B bag in fair territory on its way to the outfield.

Here is definition of "fair ball" from OBR (MLB Rulebook):

 

"A fair ball is a batted ball that settles on fair ground between home and first base, or between home and third base; or that is on or over fair territory when bounding to the outfield past first or third base; or that touches first, second, or third base; or that first falls on fair territory on or beyond first base or third base; or that, while on over or over fair territory touches the person of an umpire or player; or that, while over fair territory, passes out of the playing field in flight."

 

It further states, "If a fly ball lands in the infield between home and first base, or home and third base, and then bounces into foul territory without touching a player or umpire and before passing first or third base, it is a foul ball."

 

I do not see, nor am I aware of, any special provision involving pitcher's plate that would make it an exception to the above rule. That being said, however, if you know of one, I'd love to read it because I am kind of a rules nut. :thumb:

A couple more for fun. Feb. 15th is but a few hours away!

 

#1) 1 out, Runners on 1B and 3B. Catcher receives the pitch and pops up to make the throw to 2B on stealing runner. Batter steps out of box and interferes with catcher’s throwing motion, but the throw still retires the runner at 2B. The runner on 3B scores during the play, however. Call?

 

#2) With one strike on a batter, the defense realizes that the incorrect batter is up and brings it to the attention of the umpire. Which should the umpire rule?

 

#3) 1 out, runner at 3B, 2-2 count on batter. Batter swings at inside pitch and the ball hits his hands and travels into fair territory. Catcher fields ball and throws to 1B (beats BR). 3B runner scores on the play. Ruling?

 

#4) Runner on 2B. Pitcher make a bit of an inside turn motion towards second (not a balk), convincing runner to dive back to bag, then delivers pitch to batter. Batter hits a line drive up middle that hits runner as he was standing up and in contact with second base. BR makes it safely to first base. Runner on 2B remains at second. Call?

A couple more for fun. Feb. 15th is but a few hours away!

 

#1) 1 out, Runners on 1B and 3B. Catcher receives the pitch and pops up to make the throw to 2B on stealing runner. Batter steps out of box and interferes with catcher’s throwing motion, but the throw still retires the runner at 2B. The runner on 3B scores during the play, however. Call?

 

Batter is out and all runners go back to their base.

 

 

#2) With one strike on a batter, the defense realizes that the incorrect batter is up and brings it to the attention of the umpire. Which should the umpire rule?

 

I have seen this called several ways. The one that I am sure is that the batter is out.

 

#3) 1 out, runner at 3B, 2-2 count on batter. Batter swings at inside pitch and the ball hits his hands and travels into fair territory. Catcher fields ball and throws to 1B (beats BR). 3B runner scores on the play. Ruling?

 

Hands are considered a part of the bat. So, batter is out, by the throwout, and the run counts.

 

#4) Runner on 2B. Pitcher make a bit of an inside turn motion towards second (not a balk), convincing runner to dive back to bag, then delivers pitch to batter. Batter hits a line drive up middle that hits runner as he was standing up and in contact with second base. BR makes it safely to first base. Runner on 2B remains at second. Call?

 

Not sure on this one.

A couple more for fun. Feb. 15th is but a few hours away!

 

#1) 1 out, Runners on 1B and 3B. Catcher receives the pitch and pops up to make the throw to 2B on stealing runner. Batter steps out of box and interferes with catcher’s throwing motion, but the throw still retires the runner at 2B. The runner on 3B scores during the play, however. Call?

 

#2) With one strike on a batter, the defense realizes that the incorrect batter is up and brings it to the attention of the umpire. Which should the umpire rule?

 

#3) 1 out, runner at 3B, 2-2 count on batter. Batter swings at inside pitch and the ball hits his hands and travels into fair territory. Catcher fields ball and throws to 1B (beats BR). 3B runner scores on the play. Ruling?

 

#4) Runner on 2B. Pitcher make a bit of an inside turn motion towards second (not a balk), convincing runner to dive back to bag, then delivers pitch to batter. Batter hits a line drive up middle that hits runner as he was standing up and in contact with second base. BR makes it safely to first base. Runner on 2B remains at second. Call?

 

1. Batter out . Runners return.

2. First he should chuckle at the manager for screwing up the rule. He would then tell the offense to send up the correct batter who will inherit the count.

3.Batter out. Dead ball. Runner returns to 3rd base.

4.If its determined that its not a balk, the runner on 2nd is out due to being hit by the ball. Batter goes to first base.

1. Batter out . Runners return.

2. First he should chuckle at the manager for screwing up the rule. He would then tell the offense to send up the correct batter who will inherit the count.

3.Batter out. Dead ball. Runner returns to 3rd base.

4.If its determined that its not a balk, the runner on 2nd is out due to being hit by the ball. Batter goes to first base.

 

I have seen it called the way I explained. Runner would be out due to a throwout and the run counts. The hands are considered an extension, so to speak, of the bat. This very thing happened in a game last season. And that is how the ump explained it. No dead ball.

1. Batter out . Runners return.

2. First he should chuckle at the manager for screwing up the rule. He would then tell the offense to send up the correct batter who will inherit the count.

3.Batter out. Dead ball. Runner returns to 3rd base.

4.If its determined that its not a balk, the runner on 2nd is out due to being hit by the ball. Batter goes to first base.

 

1. Incorrect.

2. Correct.

3. Correct. (Nicely done).

4. Correct. Most people think standing on a base is like a safe harbor.

 

#1 will surprise you.

1) Batter is not out and stealing runner is out. The option to choose the play, is afforded to the Defensive team, since the runner was put out.

 

Other runners can't advance.

I have seen it called the way I explained. Runner would be out due to a throwout and the run counts. The hands are considered an extension, so to speak, of the bat. This very thing happened in a game last season. And that is how the ump explained it. No dead ball.

 

The umpire blew that one.