This is some of the first stuff I learned in my baseball coaching class down here at UK that Coach Cohen taught. I know the whole catchers box width is something I didn't know exactly until that class.

 

Has anyone else on here who has gone to UK taken that class with Coach Cohen. I know that class was just a great class, and I learned a whole lot. He taught us all kinds of differen't things about baseball, especially when it came to hitting and how to break down a person's swing. It was just a great class to have taken, and I definitely see why Coach Cohen has done such a great job with the UK baseball team.

 

A GREAT class. That guys voice alone fires me up, even if he's talking about rules.

A GREAT class. That guys voice alone fires me up, even if he's talking about rules.

Same with Coach Henderson, both are excellent.

Run counts.

 

 

Runner is out. Once the ball touches a fielder including the pitcher and then hits the ump, the ball is live.

 

 

Since I said the runner was out in 2, he must be out in 2A. I'm guessing you and I disagree on #2.

 

Scenario #1 Answer: The run counts. You cannot have a force play that goes backwards. It is a timing play, therefore if the 3B runner crossed plate before the 3 out was made, the run scores.

 

Scenario #2: Which runner is out? The 1B runner, the batter-runner, or both? (And just to clarify, the throw to 1B beat both the returning 1B runner and the batter-runner). It's a pretty interesting scenario here and the answer might surprise you.

 

Scenario #2a: Runner is out for abandoning base.

Scenario #1 Answer: The run counts. You cannot have a force play that goes backwards. It is a timing play, therefore if the #B runner crossed plate before the 3 out was made, the run scores.

 

Scenario #2: Which runner is out? The 1B runner, the batter-runner, or both? (And just to clarify, the throw to 1B beat both the returning 1B runner and the batter-runner). It's a pretty interesting scenario here and the answer might surprise you.

 

Scenario #2a: Runner is out for abandoning base.

I assumed batter is out and runner, advances at own peril.

 

Interesting questions.

1 - DP and run doesn't count (1st never returned to base)

2 - Batter is out and runner, advances at own peril (guessing here)

3 - Runner is out, if tagged or gives up his position on the base.

 

#1 - Incorrect.

#2 - Correct! Once balls hits umpire, it is same as ball deflecting into a runner. The ball is live, but is treated the same as if it hit the ground. Therefore, the throw to 1B becomes the first out on the batter-runner. Since it removes the force out on the existing runner at that point, he is safe on first base. Good guess.

#3 - Semi-correct. Runner does not have to be tagged to be out. He abandoned the basepath and is out automatically.

I assumed batter is out and runner, advances at own peril.

 

Interesting questions.

 

You were correct. Batter out, runner had returned to base safely and is safe to stay there since force had been removed by retiring batter first.

 

In our game, the umpire correctly called "out" and was referring to the batter-runner. The returning 1B runner thought he was talking about him being called out and immediately headed off the field towards his dugout. We tagged him just to be sure, but it actually wasn't necessary as he had essentially abandoned his base. Freaky play, but actually happened.

 

Scenario #1 actually happened to me twice in one season.

You were correct. Batter out, runner had returned to base safely and is safe to stay there since force had been removed by retiring batter first.

 

In our game, the umpire correctly called "out" and was referring to the batter-runner. The returning 1B runner thought he was talking about him being called out and immediately headed off the field towards his dugout. We tagged him just to be sure, but it actually wasn't necessary as he had essentially abandoned his base. Freaky play, but actually happened.

 

Scenario #1 actually happened to me twice in one season.

I'd be happy, with a diving catch of any kind....:lol:

Happened in the Campbell vs. Harrison game bout 3yrs.ago Same scenario. It is a timing play so the catch is the 2nd out run scores before the third out, the run is good. The ball that hits the pitcher and then the umpire is a live ball, must take result of the play. However if umpire gets hit before a fielder touches it it is a dead ball and runner are awarded accordingly.

I'd be happy, with a diving catch of any kind....:lol:

 

 

:thumb:

 

I always like to see a HS player dive for the ball to make the play. I remember back in 2003 at the East Kentucky Invitational at Knott Central, Whitesburg was playing Breathitt, ball is hit hard between 3rd baseman and SS. Closer to 3rd baseman. He dove for the ball, jumped up, and threw the runner out. By a hair. All the while I was yelling, "Get it there! Get it there! That was the best play that I had seen all tournament. I just wish I remember who it was.

Happened in the Campbell vs. Harrison game bout 3yrs.ago Same scenario. It is a timing play so the catch is the 2nd out run scores before the third out, the run is good. The ball that hits the pitcher and then the umpire is a live ball, must take result of the play. However if umpire gets hit before a fielder touches it it is a dead ball and runner are awarded accordingly.

 

Actually, the rule states that if the ball touches an umpire before it has passed an infielder other than the pitcher, it is a dead ball. It doesn't have to be touched by the infielder. The batter awarded first base and existing runners advance if forced.

Thought I'd throw out a couple more scenarios since I can't sleep and have nothing better to do.

 

#1) Batter hits ground ball towards SS, however during his swing his bat breaks and a piece of it goes out in the infield and deflects the ball away from SS, who would otherwise have had an easy play on ball. Batter reaches 1B safely. Call?

 

#2) Batter hits ground ball towards SS, but the entire bat slips out of his hand and travels into infield and deflects ball away from SS, who would otherwise have had an easy play on ball. Batter reaches 1B safely. Call?

 

#3) Batter bunts ball, drops bat, and takes off towards 1B. Ball rolls short distance down base path and appears as though it was headed foul, but contacts and then rests against the bat which is laying in fair territory. Batter reaches 1B safely. Call?

 

#4) Batter bunts ball, drops bat, and takes off towards 1B. Balls rolls short distance down base path, travels into foul territory where it hits the dropped bat and is re-directed into fair territory. Catcher makes play on ball, but batter beats throw and is safe at first. Call?

 

No prizes unless you get all 4 correct.

#2 - Correct! Once balls hits umpire, it is same as ball deflecting into a runner. The ball is live, but is treated the same as if it hit the ground. Therefore, the throw to 1B becomes the first out on the batter-runner. Since it removes the force out on the existing runner at that point, he is safe on first base. Good guess.

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Help me find the wording in the rulebook about the it hitting the ump.

Thought I'd throw out a couple more scenarios since I can't sleep and have nothing better to do.

 

#1) Batter hits ground ball towards SS, however during his swing his bat breaks and a piece of it goes out in the infield and deflects the ball away from SS, who would otherwise have had an easy play on ball. Batter reaches 1B safely. Call?

 

Runner is safe.

 

#2) Batter hits ground ball towards SS, but the entire bat slips out of his hand and travels into infield and deflects ball away from SS, who would otherwise have had an easy play on ball. Batter reaches 1B safely. Call?

 

BR is out - interference.

 

#3) Batter bunts ball, drops bat, and takes off towards 1B. Ball rolls short distance down base path and appears as though it was headed foul, but contacts and then rests against the bat which is laying in fair territory. Batter reaches 1B safely. Call?

 

BR is safe.

 

#4) Batter bunts ball, drops bat, and takes off towards 1B. Balls rolls short distance down base path, travels into foul territory where it hits the dropped bat and is re-directed into fair territory. Catcher makes play on ball, but batter beats throw and is safe at first. Call?

 

No prizes unless you get all 4 correct.

 

Foul ball.

Runner is safe.

 

BR is out - interference.

 

BR is safe.

 

Foul ball.

 

Wow. Got all 4 right. Nicely done.

 

P.S. I lied about there being any prize.

Help me find the wording in the rulebook about the it hitting the ump.

 

5.09 (f): If a fair ball touches an umpire working in the infield after it has bounded past, or over, the pitcher, it is a dead ball. If a batted ball is deflected by a fielder in fair territory and hits a runner or an umpire while still in flight and then caught by an infielder, it shall not (my emphasis) be a catch, but the ball shall remain in play.

 

 

6:09: The batter becomes a runner (my emphasis) when -

 

© A fair ball, after having passed a fielder other than the pitcher, or after having been touched by a fielder, including the pitcher, shall touch an umpire or runner on fair territory.

 

 

I have a Major League Rules Case Book and it says the following regarding this situation:

 

"When considering a fair batted ball striking a runner or umpire before or after being touched by an infielder, the pitcher is included. However, when considering a fair batted ball striking a runner or umpire before or after passing by an infielder without being touched by him, the pitcher is excluded.

 

The factor determing whether the ball becomes dead or remains alive when striking a runner or an umpire are the same for each (runner and umpire). The penalties following a dead ball rulling, however, are different when the ball strikes a runner as compared to when the ball strikes an umpire."