1 - DP and run doesn't count (1st never returned to base)

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I would disagree since we're not talking about the 3rd out being a force play.

I would disagree since we're not talking about the 3rd out being a force play.

If runner on 1st didn't tag and batter didn't reach, is that still not a re-tag situation?

 

Can't say, I've ever seen this scenario.

If runner on 1st didn't tag and batter didn't reach, is that still not a re-tag situation?

 

Can't say, I've ever seen this scenario.

 

I think its a timing play just like if the runner was tagging up and going to 2nd but was thrown out AFTER the runner on 3rd crossed the plate.

I think its a timing play just like if the runner was tagging up and going to 2nd but was thrown out AFTER the runner on 3rd crossed the plate.

I'm looking at the runner, leaving on the pitch and not returning. Same if a linedrive or FB, he has to re-tag.

 

Be interested, in seeing answer. Have you ever heard of this happening?

I'm looking at the runner, leaving on the pitch and not returning. Same if a linedrive or FB, he has to re-tag.

 

Be interested, in seeing answer. Have you ever heard of this happening?

 

I'm going to have to look it up.

I'm going to have to look it up.

 

From OBR:

 

4.09 HOW A TEAM SCORES.

(a) One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first,

second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning.

EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a

play in which the third out is made (1) by the batter-runner before he touches first

base; (2) by any runner being forced out; or (3) by a preceding runner who is

declared out because he failed to touch one of the bases.

 

 

None of the exceptions apply so the run would count since the 3rd out was recorded after the runner scored.

From OBR:

 

4.09 HOW A TEAM SCORES.

(a) One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first,

second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning.

EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a

play in which the third out is made (1) by the batter-runner before he touches first

base; (2) by any runner being forced out; or (3) by a preceding runner who is

declared out because he failed to touch one of the bases.

 

 

None of the exceptions apply so the run would count since the 3rd out was recorded after the runner scored.

I'm still of the contention, that (2) would cover this and apply, since no-retouch and the runner would be forced out.

 

Interesting, whichever way it goes.

I'm still of the contention, that (2) would cover this and apply, since no-retouch and the runner would be forced out.

 

Interesting, whichever way it goes.

 

Its not a force out. A force out is defined as being forced to the next bag by the following runners.

Its not a force out. A force out is defined as being forced to the next bag by the following runners.

There are several definitions of "forced" and a forced runner can also be tagged out, before returning to his base, that he was required to vacate.

 

If he was tagged, the tag is still considered a force play if the tag is made before the runner reached the force base.

There are several definitions of "forced" and a forced runner can also be tagged out, before returning to his base, that he was required to vacate.

 

If he was tagged, the tag is still considered a force play if the tag is made before the runner reached the force base.

 

From OBR:

 

Rule 2.00

Example: Not a force out. One out. Runner on first and third. Batter flies out. Two out. Runner

on third tags up and scores. Runner on first tries to retouch before throw from fielder reaches first

baseman, but does not get back in time and is out. Three outs. If, in umpire’s judgment, the runner

from third touched home before the ball was held at first base, the run counts.

A scenario we've never seen but were discussing the other night.

 

Runner on 3rd, 2 outs and the batter hits a slow roller to the 1st baseman. 1st baseman charges hard and the batter stops close to halfway to 1st base. He does NOT run backwards. Since the 1st baseman charged and is in front of the bag he tries to tag the batter. However, the runner from third scored before the batter was tagged at first.

 

I guess another scenario would be if there are two outs and there was an errant throw to first and the first baseman tags the batter, but the run scores first.

 

Does this run count?

From OBR:

 

Rule 2.00

Example: Not a force out. One out. Runner on first and third. Batter flies out. Two out. Runner

on third tags up and scores. Runner on first tries to retouch before throw from fielder reaches first

baseman, but does not get back in time and is out. Three outs. If, in umpire’s judgment, the runner

from third touched home before the ball was held at first base, the run counts.

There it is, run counts.

A scenario we've never seen but were discussing the other night.

 

Runner on 3rd, 2 outs and the batter hits a slow roller to the 1st baseman. 1st baseman charges hard and the batter stops close to halfway to 1st base. He does NOT run backwards. Since the 1st baseman charged and is in front of the bag he tries to tag the batter. However, the runner from third scored before the batter was tagged at first.

 

I guess another scenario would be if there are two outs and there was an errant throw to first and the first baseman tags the batter, but the run scores first.

 

Does this run count?

Run doesn't count in either scenario, since batter never acquired 1st.

A scenario we've never seen but were discussing the other night.

 

Runner on 3rd, 2 outs and the batter hits a slow roller to the 1st baseman. 1st baseman charges hard and the batter stops close to halfway to 1st base. He does NOT run backwards. Since the 1st baseman charged and is in front of the bag he tries to tag the batter. However, the runner from third scored before the batter was tagged at first.

 

I guess another scenario would be if there are two outs and there was an errant throw to first and the first baseman tags the batter, but the run scores first.

 

Does this run count?

 

Run doesn't count in either scenario, since batter never acquired 1st.

 

 

Correct. Same as if they had thrown the runner out at first on a ground ball.

Run doesn't count in either scenario, since batter never acquired 1st.

 

That's what was said but we weren't very confident about that answer...