I don't think that your personality has much to do with whether you can coach or not. There are tons of great coaches with little or no personality in every level. Not saying that Dodd doesn't have personality because I know him and I know he does but I'm just making a point. Personality is a plus but I don't think a neccessity.

 

I have to disagree, personality goes along way in motivating kids to play hard and smoothing out abrasive situations that can be detrimental to the team. Most players enjoy being coached by a person with great personality. I have seen people with great personality far outachieve an x and o guy with no personality because of motivation. IMO look at Tubby and Billy G it seems as though Tubby got more out of this team now because he is a better player's coach. More positive, better motivator,and IMO better person in which kids wanted to play better for Tubby than Billy G. It is hurting UK now and it may be hurting Russell.

I have to disagree, personality goes along way in motivating kids to play hard and smoothing out abrasive situations that can be detrimental to the team. Most players enjoy being coached by a person with great personality. I have seen people with great personality far outachieve an x and o guy with no personality because of motivation. IMO look at Tubby and Billy G it seems as though Tubby got more out of this team now because he is a better player's coach. More positive, better motivator,and IMO better person in which kids wanted to play better for Tubby than Billy G. It is hurting UK now and it may be hurting Russell.

 

Then explain Bobby Knight's success.

Very few schools in the state will get rid of a coach solely on wins and losses.

 

Wins and loses may not be a reason to fire a coach but it does have any effect on his/her career and their livelyhood in terms of future jobs. A coaches record obviously means more at each higher level but I think wins and loses are meaning more and more in today's high school game. Maybe not to the point of firing a coach, although I think some schools would, but it's bringing more and more pressure in places with winning traditions. It's unfortunate but I think that's the direction we're heading in. You may not agree Cubster, you would know more than I would about coaching in today's game and the pressures and expectations involved.

Wins and loses may not be a reason to fire a coach but it does have any effect on his/her career and their livelyhood in terms of future jobs. A coaches record obviously means more at each higher level but I think wins and loses are meaning more and more in today's high school game. Maybe not to the point of firing a coach, although I think some schools would, but it's bringing more and more pressure in places with winning traditions. It's unfortunate but I think that's the direction we're heading in. You may not agree Cubster, you would know more than I would about coaching in today's game and the pressures and expectations involved.

 

Good points.

Then explain Bobby Knight's success.

 

Bobby Knight is fiery and funny, if you have ever heard him speak he keeps you in stitches. The man is smart and has a ton of personality, I have enjoyed listening to his stories very very good with people. He does put on some great shows.

Good points.

 

Unfortunately losing sometimes leads to other problems that may lead to the termnation of a coach. For example - players quitting, parents complaining about their sons/daughters not playing even though the team is losing, the coach practicing the players harder to get more out of them...

 

I agree that losing alone may not cost a coach his/her job but it can lead to other problems that may cause his/her termination

I have to disagree, personality goes along way in motivating kids to play hard and smoothing out abrasive situations that can be detrimental to the team. Most players enjoy being coached by a person with great personality. I have seen people with great personality far outachieve an x and o guy with no personality because of motivation. IMO look at Tubby and Billy G it seems as though Tubby got more out of this team now because he is a better player's coach. More positive, better motivator,and IMO better person in which kids wanted to play better for Tubby than Billy G. It is hurting UK now and it may be hurting Russell.

 

You've misunderstood what I was saying. Of course I think you have to HAVE a good personality to succeed in coaching but you don't have to BE a personality to succeed. Does that make any sense? Tubby may have a great personality but he's not known as a personality like a John Gruden, John Calipari, or a Bobby Knight are known. I too think that a kids respond better to a "Player's Coach" than they will for someone who constantly screams and yells. I agree with what you posted (except for the part about UK and BCG), I think we were just thinking of 2 different things. It's unfair to compare Tubby's UK tenure and BCG's 15 games. Give the man some time.

Do you feel that way even if the younger player has more talent and is a better player? Nowadays a coach's livelyhood comes down to wins and loses. I think when players get to the varsity level the playing time should be earned in various ways but I think it mostly boils down to talent. Who are the 5 best players that I can put on the floor that gives my team the best chance to win regardless of class or anything else. It's also good for the future of the program if you have young talent. JMO!

 

:thumb: Great post UK, I agree 110%. IMO the best that I have play.....Period. (providing they work hard in practice and by the way and their attitude is right. Poor/bad attitudes will ruin a team- any team qucker than anything and need to be eliminated, JMO)

personality goes along way in motivating kids to play hard and smoothing out abrasive situations that can be detrimental to the team. Most players enjoy being coached by a person with great personality. I have seen people with great personality far outachieve an x and o guy with no personality because of motivation.

 

I can certainly agree wit this and I have seen/witnessed this at other places than Russell if that is the case at Russell, I wouldn't know that.

There was once a football coach at Raceland that said "It's not all about the X's and O's...It's about the Jimmy's and Joe's."

 

I agree with last quote but usually the sole reason ofr firings in HS sports is not winning or losing.

I would say Coach Goldsmith resigned on his own. He would not have been fired.

 

Please understand I did not intend to say any of these coachs were unpleasant....certainly not Goldsmith....I was just trying to say that you can be unpleasant and win and people will look past it.

 

Please understand I did not intend to say any of these coachs were unpleasant....certainly not Goldsmith....I was just trying to say that you can be unpleasant and win and people will look past it.

 

Agreed.

I can certainly agree wit this and I have seen/witnessed this at other places than Russell if that is the case at Russell, I wouldn't know that.

There was once a football coach at Raceland that said "It's not all about the X's and O's...It's about the Jimmy's and Joe's."

 

And on occasion, Little Elmer or Hiram's parents may believe they should get more PT than Jimmy or Joe.

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And on occasion, Little Elmer or Hiram's parents may believe they should get more PT than Jimmy or Joe.

 

:laugh::laugh::laugh: I have also seen plenty of that at other places as well.:thumb:

A handfull of negative posters and a few disgruntled parents do not constitute No Love. I would venture to guess that I know as many, if not many more people than you in the Russell District. I'm a 1973 grad:fire: and have lived here my whole life.

 

I recall sitting at the region championship two years ago when we beat elliot. Sitting behind me were two older men who were decked out in Russell gear head to toe. When Elliot started to make a run at the end these two men started cheering for them, talking about how that if Russell were to win then Dodd would be in the head coaching position for another few years. I do not call this love. I also live in the Russell district and graduated there myself in 1982 and I have not heard I kind word said about him since he got here. I have talked to former parents and even co-workers of his at the school who think he is a total creep. Based on what Ive heard from very reliable sources I think he is a total creep. I would not want my child in any type of contact with him at all. I know both of these young men and their parents and I think that they totally made the right decision. They just couldn't take it any longer.

Welcome UK grad