Today's C-J article on ratings....

 

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080103/SPORTS05/801030452/1002/SPORTS

 

 

"The Litratings are a computerized power ranking of each team in Kentucky based on a formula that includes records, strength of schedule and margin of victory. Games against out-of-state opponents are not included."

Exactly, with margin of victory having a substantial effect on the overall power ranking of a team. This is one reason why this ranking system is screwed up, when you have some teams that choose to play their top players almost the entire game it helps them get a higher ranking than they really deserve. Just like I have said all along, when team A has a 30 point lead at the end of the 3rd quarter and allows their top players to continue playing and the final margin ends up 50 compared to other teams that in this siutuation play their freshman and sophomore jv players the final quater and finish with a 22 to 25 point margin, (in a nutshell) these differences distort a ranking system such as this.

Who has the tougher schedule?

 

Between Mason and Lex Cath. I presume? I would go with Mason they played in a tough tourny out in Hawaii, as well as playing Cov. Cath.

These rankings are a joke.

 

Wouldn't care so much, but people look at these to see whats going on in Kentucky concerning high school basketball.

 

More people from Kentucky, outside of Kentucky, Lexington, Louisville, Northern Kentucky and anywhere else needs to know about Elliott County Basketball this season and next season to come!!!! They may not be #1 in the state, but they are definitely a SOLID top 10 team. They can beat you with more than one, two, or even three players. They easily go six deep with Div 1 level type players and have the ability to beat anyone in the state on any given night, and I will not argue that they can't be beaten themselves (as evidence in 5/3 tourney) in any given game, but everyone needs to research the players on this team, not the results of their games to critic where they should actually be in Litkenhouse rankings.

More people from Kentucky, outside of Kentucky, Lexington, Louisville, Northern Kentucky and anywhere else needs to know about Elliott County Basketball this season and next season to come!!!! They may not be #1 in the state, but they are definitely a SOLID top 10 team. They can beat you with more than one, two, or even three players. They easily go six deep with Div 1 level type players and have the ability to beat anyone in the state on any given night, and I will not argue that they can't be beaten themselves (as evidence in 5/3 tourney) in any given game, but everyone needs to research the players on this team, not the results of their games to critic where they should actually be in Litkenhouse rankings.

 

Lets do this, would any other team in Kentucky have the same record and results if they played their schedule?

OYP, yes they would!! a few teams would and should, but let me suggest that they are not running scores up on teams, they are playing their entire team (Class A) and are having great results, and let me re-emphasize that I said they may not be #1, but definitely a top 10 team with MUCH RESPECT due to them!

More people from Kentucky, outside of Kentucky, Lexington, Louisville, Northern Kentucky and anywhere else needs to know about Elliott County Basketball this season and next season to come!!!! They may not be #1 in the state, but they are definitely a SOLID top 10 team. They can beat you with more than one, two, or even three players. They easily go six deep with Div 1 level type players and have the ability to beat anyone in the state on any given night, and I will not argue that they can't be beaten themselves (as evidence in 5/3 tourney) in any given game, but everyone needs to research the players on this team, not the results of their games to critic where they should actually be in Litkenhouse rankings.

 

I would agree with this statement. And I'll go one step farther, even though I know I'll take a beating. Elliott has three boys, IMO that would more than likely be starting at any high school in Ky. including Mason.

Exactly, with margin of victory having a substantial effect on the overall power ranking of a team. This is one reason why this ranking system is screwed up, when you have some teams that choose to play their top players almost the entire game it helps them get a higher ranking than they really deserve. Just like I have said all along, when team A has a 30 point lead at the end of the 3rd quarter and allows their top players to continue playing and the final margin ends up 50 compared to other teams that in this siutuation play their freshman and sophomore jv players the final quater and finish with a 22 to 25 point margin, (in a nutshell) these differences distort a ranking system such as this.

 

Unless you called him and told him Coach Mays probably don't even know that his team is listed in the CJ rankings!!! If he did and the team wasn't that good he would still be deserving for a moment:thumb: for coaching a small program that noone else would for 30 years:ylsuper:

OYP, yes they would!! a few teams would and should, but let me suggest that they are not running scores up on teams, they are playing their entire team (Class A) and are having great results, and let me re-emphasize that I said they may not be #1, but definitely a top 10 team with MUCH RESPECT due to them!

 

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What I dont understand is the 6'7 freshman is a real prospect and Elliott has a chance to be a really good team for quite a while if they develope some of the younger kids around him and what better time than now to start. This junior class is good because they were exposed to a high level of competion at a early age. Now is the perfect time to get 2 or 3 more freshman some PT.

 

Because if kids arent ready for varsity basketball, then they arent ready. No one but the coaches and players see what goes on in practice everyday to evaluate whether other kids should dress varsity or not. Coach Mays has been at this a long time, and he knows who should be on his varsity basketball team. He isnt going to put a kid in a game just for him to be embarrassed. They use the JV and freshman games to try and develope the younger kids games and to try and prepare them for varsity basketball.

Because if kids arent ready for varsity basketball, then they arent ready. No one but the coaches and players see what goes on in practice everyday to evaluate whether other kids should dress varsity or not. Coach Mays has been at this a long time, and he knows who should be on his varsity basketball team. He isnt going to put a kid in a game just for him to be embarrassed. They use the JV and freshman games to try and develope the younger kids games and to try and prepare them for varsity basketball.

 

Could not agree more. If every kid was ready to dress for their varsity, then why even have a JV or Freshman team

Well from what I read earlier in this thread is that Elliot Co. only carries 10 players on their varsity roster. That's great for them. I'm know for a fact that you can carry more than that on your roster. I don't care if there isn't anyone else who "deserves" it.

 

Let's take Pendleton Co. for example (Nothing against Pend Co. they are a formidable basketball program with a possibly good upside and new coach). Coach Buddy Biggs was there about 3 or 4 years ago. He had 7 really good players. Coach Biggs chose to play those 7 players for the majority of most games even when some of the outcomes were already decided before the 4th quarter. Well, those players were seniors and juniors. When those players left, Pendleton Co took a plunge. I really feel that this maybe a direct result of not playing/developing players.

 

Winning by 40-50 points does nothing for a team when your not trying to develop younger players.

 

Elliot fans, pay attention to the Brossart vs Mason Co. score tomorrow. Mason Co probably will end up beating Brossart by 30-35 points. However, I'm going to bet you that Miller plays about 16 minutes, Middleton with about 20, and Setty with about 20 minutes too (that's Mason Co.'s top 3). Mason Co. probably wants to develop a player or two. Sooo, they play some sophomores and freshman who probably "don't deserve to be on the varsity team". My guess is Mason Co's top 8 is on the bench most if not all of the fourth quarter. But they play them, in a varsity game against a varsity team, allowing the varsity coach to coach / develop them. Those kids might not be deserving of being on the varsity team, but at least they get to make mistakes in a varsity game and get to learn from them.

 

Understand there is a right and a wrong way to "blow" people out. Mason Co. does it the right way.

Well from what I read earlier in this thread is that Elliot Co. only carries 10 players on their varsity roster. That's great for them. I'm know for a fact that you can carry more than that on your roster. I don't care if there isn't anyone else who "deserves" it.

 

Let's take Pendleton Co. for example (Nothing against Pend Co. they are a formidable basketball program with a possibly good upside and new coach). Coach Buddy Biggs was there about 3 or 4 years ago. He had 7 really good players. Coach Biggs chose to play those 7 players for the majority of most games even when some of the outcomes were already decided before the 4th quarter. Well, those players were seniors and juniors. When those players left, Pendleton Co took a plunge. I really feel that this maybe a direct result of not playing/developing players.

 

Winning by 40-50 points does nothing for a team when your not trying to develop younger players.

 

Elliot fans, pay attention to the Brossart vs Mason Co. score tomorrow. Mason Co probably will end up beating Brossart by 30-35 points. However, I'm going to bet you that Miller plays about 16 minutes, Middleton with about 20, and Setty with about 20 minutes too (that's Mason Co.'s top 3). Mason Co. probably wants to develop a player or two. Sooo, they play some sophomores and freshman who probably "don't deserve to be on the varsity team". My guess is Mason Co's top 8 is on the bench most if not all of the fourth quarter. But they play them, in a varsity game against a varsity team, allowing the varsity coach to coach / develop them. Those kids might not be deserving of being on the varsity team, but at least they get to make mistakes in a varsity game and get to learn from them.

 

Understand there is a right and a wrong way to "blow" people out. Mason Co. does it the right way.

 

 

Have you understood nothing. Elliott is no where near the size of Mason. Is that really that hard to understand? If Elliott's team were at Mason, then they would have a much larger bench. Wake up!!!

Unless you called him and told him Coach Mays probably don't even know that his team is listed in the CJ rankings!!! If he did and the team wasn't that good he would still be deserving for a moment:thumb: for coaching a small program that noone else would for 30 years:ylsuper:

 

Exactlly, who else would have spent 27 years of his life coaching as he believes correct for a losing program. No one, that's who. He continues to do what he loves because he knows that he knows basketball and is finally getting some respect. Some of you that are from bigger schools need to refrain from commenting, because you have no idea what you are talking about. It would be easy to choose some subs if you cut 20 from your varsity, that is not the case at Elliott.

Have you understood nothing. Elliott is no where near the size of Mason. Is that really that hard to understand? If Elliott's team were at Mason, then they would have a much larger bench. Wake up!!!

 

I understand a whole lot, and I refuse to believe that only 10 (ten) players made the entire basketball program for Elliott Co.

 

Hold on, let me ask you Elliott Co. fans this. In the entire basketball program at Elliott Co is there only 10 players (varsity, junior varsity, and freshman)? If so, then my previous post is void and you could consider me misinformed. Until them, carry more players on the bench and try to develop them when you guys are playing in all those "blowout wins".

 

I also played at a small school too. So don't use that on me.

 

For the record, Mason Co. could probably beat Brossart saturday by 60 if they played their top 10 players the entire game. I'm no Mason Co fan, its just how Mason Co is. Why not try to develop some of the younger players that you should carry on the bench?

I refuse to believe that only 10 (ten) players made the entire basketball program for Elliott Co.

 

Hold on, let me ask you Elliott Co. fans this. In the entire basketball program at Elliott Co is there only 10 players (varsity, junior varsity, and freshman)? If so, then my previous post is void and you could consider me misinformed. Until them, carry more players on the bench and try to develop them when you guys are playing in all those "blowout wins".

 

I also played at a small school too. So don't use that on me.

 

For the record, Mason Co. could probably beat Brossart saturday by 60 if they played their top 10 players the entire game.

 

You have never really saw Elliott play, have you? If you watch their JV, you would understand. Would you promote a player that doesn't deserve it? There are about 20 players total on their JV and Varsity.