He just stepped down as Braves GM...

Wouldn't be surprised to see him go to St. Louis. Bad news for the NL Central is he does.

He just stepped down as Braves GM...

Interesting and wonder if this is the beginning, of several Coaching and Player personnel changes.

 

Does Cox retain his Manager position?

Wow I didn't expect this...

Wouldn't be surprised to see him go to St. Louis. Bad news for the NL Central is he does.

 

Bad news for Central but not National League. Lots of Division titles, few pennants.

Reports: Schuerholz Quitting Braves

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3058578

 

Braves GM John Schuerholz, the architect of a run of 14 straight division titles for Atlanta, reportedly is stepping down after 17 seasons. Schuerholz is baseball's longest-tenured GM.

I can't wait till Kingfish sees this thread. :walk::walk::walk:

Interesting...

I can't wait till Kingfish sees this thread. :walk::walk::walk:

 

Thank you for the lead in LRCW. I have been a supporter of the Milwaukee/Atlanta Braves since before the birth of most BGPers.

 

I am only sorry that Schuerholz didn't leave prior to emptying the farm system of most all of its top prospects.

 

Rumor has it that he may be headed to St. Louis. Keep in mind that he resigned. He did not retire.

 

At least, I can now follow the Myrtle Beach Pelicans with the knowledge that Schuerholz is no longer able to trade away our top prospects for more shortterm rentals like he has been so proficient at doing in recent years.

 

The cupboard has been cleaned out and the shelves are almost empty. One championship in fourteen opportunities doesn't add up to any measure of success. However, the cupboard thief is gone to which I add a hardy "amen".

 

I'm sure that some will take issue with my comments. I would only request that they be well informed.

Well, now it appears that he will "move up" to become president of the organization. If this is the result, and reliable information indicates that that is the case, my euphoria is dramatically reduced. Frank Wren will be the replacement as GM and he is, from all past history and present indications, a Schuerholz gopher. Too bad the Cardinal matter didn't prove to be true. Future talented Pelicans are apparently still in danger of becoming an extinct species as has happened with their predecessors.

Thank you for the lead in LRCW. I have been a supporter of the Milwaukee/Atlanta Braves since before the birth of most BGPers.

 

I am only sorry that Schuerholz didn't leave prior to emptying the farm system of most all of its top prospects.

 

Rumor has it that he may be headed to St. Louis. Keep in mind that he resigned. He did not retire.

 

At least, I can now follow the Myrtle Beach Pelicans with the knowledge that Schuerholz is no longer able to trade away our top prospects for more shortterm rentals like he has been so proficient at doing in recent years.

 

The cupboard has been cleaned out and the shelves are almost empty. One championship in fourteen opportunities doesn't add up to any measure of success. However, the cupboard thief is gone to which I add a hardy "amen".

 

I'm sure that some will take issue with my comments. I would only request that they be well informed.

 

Wow...no measure of success...the Braves owned their division for over a decade. That's incredible no matter how you look at it. I agree that only one title is a little dissappointing in that stretch considering all the other success, but it also proves just how difficult it is to win a World Series. The Braves had a run that may never be matched again.

 

Schuerholz was a great GM for a long time in Atlanta. He was an integral part in transforming them from a laughing stock to a measuring stick in MLB...while I question some of the moves he's made in recent years, you have to keep in mind that if he depleted a farm system, he depleted the farm system that he played a crucial part in building. The Braves had one of the best farm systems in baseball for a long time, thanks in large part to Schuerholz. I think Braves fans should wish him well and thank him for all the success he helped bring them.

Actually, the success of the farm system is due to good scouting which lead to productive drafts and the leadership of men such as Paul Snyder. Schuerholz didnh't make those decisions.

 

No one would doubt the efforts of Schuerholz in the "early years". The money was flowing and limitless due to the ownership of Ted Turner. Free agent signings were plentiful and successful. There was no mortgaging of the farm system and young talent like the Jones boys, Lopez, Klesko, Furcal, etc. were allowed to develop and move up.

 

However, in the more recent years, the emphasis was on doing whatever was necessary to win "one more division". Therefore, without the endless dollars and free agent aquisitions, the youngsters were sacrificed for the one year (or less) rentals and temporary spot fillers like Drew, Dotel, Farnsworth, Mercker, Teixeira, Sheffield, and others. Trades like the Hampton trade were disasters. Of course, Schuerholz couldn't have foretold Hampton's injuries. Nonetheless, the result is still a disaster and the result is what counts.

 

Many agree with the approach used. If it had produced more WS championships, that would have been fine. However, it didn't and, in fact, the results diminished each year as the team lost out sooner and sooner in the playoffs. Now, for the last two years. No playoffs.

 

Money is tighter. The roster, particularly in regard to pitching, is questionable. There are no outstanding prospects down on the farm. The future is not promising for the Braves.

 

Go ahead and give Schuerholz an "A" for his early years. I would agree. However, regardless of the circumstances, he deserves no good grade for recent years.

MLB Trade Rumors says he'll serve as team president...

However, in the more recent years, the emphasis was on doing whatever was necessary to win "one more division". Therefore, without the endless dollars and free agent aquisitions, the youngsters were sacrificed for the one year (or less) rentals and temporary spot fillers like Drew, Dotel, Farnsworth, Mercker, Teixeira, Sheffield, and others. Trades like the Hampton trade were disasters. Of course, Schuerholz couldn't have foretold Hampton's injuries. Nonetheless, the result is still a disaster and the result is what counts.

This is what the Braves gave up for the players you mentioned. I didn't list the Teixeira and Dotel trades because you can't evaluate those deals for a while because of the prospects involved.

 

Gary Sheffield: Brian Jordan, Odalis Perez, and Andrew Brown.

 

J.D. Drew: Jason Marquis, Ray King, and Adam Wainwright.

 

Kent Mercker: Matt Belisle.

 

Kyle Farnsworth: Roman Colon and Zach Miner.

 

Mike Hampton: Tim Spooneybarger and Ryan Baker.

 

Really now, how did those deals gut the Braves' farm system? The only players of real consequence in recent years that Schuerholz gave up were Odalis Perez (two or three decent years, and he's been awful recently), Jason Marquis (up and down his whole career) and Adam Wainwright, who looks like he has a bright future.

 

Most of the players that were of some value were already in the majors at the time of the trades.

 

I don't know any Reds fans that are all that high on Belisle, and Detroit seems in no hurry to put Miner in a major role.

 

You can criticize Schuerholz all you want, but he came out ahead on those deals.

This is what the Braves gave up for the players you mentioned. I didn't list the Teixeira and Dotel trades because you can't evaluate those deals for a while because of the prospects involved.

 

Gary Sheffield: Brian Jordan, Odalis Perez, and Andrew Brown.

 

J.D. Drew: Jason Marquis, Ray King, and Adam Wainwright.

 

Kent Mercker: Matt Belisle.

 

Kyle Farnsworth: Roman Colon and Zach Miner.

 

Mike Hampton: Tim Spooneybarger and Ryan Baker.

 

Really now, how did those deals gut the Braves' farm system? The only players of real consequence in recent years that Schuerholz gave up were Odalis Perez (two or three decent years, and he's been awful recently), Jason Marquis (up and down his whole career) and Adam Wainwright, who looks like he has a bright future.

 

Most of the players that were of some value were already in the majors at the time of the trades.

 

I don't know any Reds fans that are all that high on Belisle, and Detroit seems in no hurry to put Miner in a major role.

 

You can criticize Schuerholz all you want, but he came out ahead on those deals.

 

 

You did a bit of "picking and choosing" but you are entitled to your opinion.