To begin with, it is very hard to carry a firearm openly and abide by the law. As the law pertains to openly carrying a firearm, if any part of that firearm is concealed then you are concealing a firearm. In other words, if your shirt falls over the butt of the gun, unintentionally, then you are concealing a firearm. Technically if you are sitting down and leaned back in a chair, with a gun strapped to your back, you are concealing a firearm.

 

So, to be a better law abiding citizen, it is better to just get a CCDW permit, even if you are going to carry openly.

:thumb: Well said.

A legally screened, law abiding, morally grounded citizen with a firearm is foolish to go waving it around in any situation until it is absolutely time to reveal it and pull the trigger. To advertise that one is packing heat, only serves to ensure that a criminal will stack the odds further in their own favor by setting an ambush or firing first.

 

All this firing a warning shot, or getting the drop on someone is a bunch of John Wayne, Hollywood mumbo jumbo. It's the best way to get killed or injured really fast.

 

I own many guns. I have never used one in anger, self-defense, or even pointed one at another person for that matter, and I have had knives pulled on me twice, and a gun pointed at me on three separate occasions. All were resolved without injury to myself, or the death of the idiot threatening me.

 

I know I would and could pull the trigger if someone were seriously threatening my wife, children or another innocent potential victim. The potential victim has done nothing to deserve being beaten, raped or killed. Anyone who chooses to commit such a violent act against a victim has already made the decision whether the trigger should be pulled.

 

The biggest problem with guns is that we've lived in a society protected by those trained to use guns on our behalf for so long, too many don't understand their proper use or true value.

 

:thumb: Well said.

To begin with, it is very hard to carry a firearm openly and abide by the law. As the law pertains to openly carrying a firearm, if any part of that firearm is concealed then you are concealing a firearm. In other words, if your shirt falls over the butt of the gun, unintentionally, then you are concealing a firearm. Technically if you are sitting down and leaned back in a chair, with a gun strapped to your back, you are concealing a firearm.

That is not completely correct. The test is often said to be whether the weapon is hidden from "general view", or from "ordinary observation." This test is determined by a full view of the accused and not by a partial view only. While your shirttail example is correct, the generalization that you are guily of carrying a concealed weapons if any part of the weapon is concealed, is incorrect.

 

For anyone who carries a weapon in their car, the center console DOES NOT fit the "glove box" exception. The appelate courts decided in 2004 that only the glove compartment located below the passenger side dash fits the description. So if you have a handgun in that center console, you might want to move it.

That is not completely correct. The test is often said to be whether the weapon is hidden from "general view", or from "ordinary observation." This test is determined by a full view of the accused and not by a partial view only. While your shirttail example is correct, the generalization that you are guily of carrying a concealed weapons if any part of the weapon is concealed, is incorrect.

 

For anyone who carries a weapon in their car, the center console DOES NOT fit the "glove box" exception. The appelate courts decided in 2004 that only the glove compartment located below the passenger side dash fits the description. So if you have a handgun in that center console, you might want to move it.

Thus, his statement of why he would get a CCW Permit which would place him in no violation and allow him to carry anywhere unless posted as illegal to do so. (Such as schools, county courthouse, workplace etc).

Whatever your position is on guns or CCW laws, it’s obvious this newspaper was acting maliciously to further their agenda. Maybe they should be using their time and effort to lobby for increasing police presence in gun crime areas and the seizure of unlawfully possessed guns rather than wasting their time with citizens acting legally.

I agree with you . :ylsuper:

A legally screened, law abiding, morally grounded citizen with a firearm is foolish to go waving it around in any situation until it is absolutely time to reveal it and pull the trigger. To advertise that one is packing heat, only serves to ensure that a criminal will stack the odds further in their own favor by setting an ambush or firing first.

 

All this firing a warning shot, or getting the drop on someone is a bunch of John Wayne, Hollywood mumbo jumbo. It's the best way to get killed or injured really fast.

 

I own many guns. I have never used one in anger, self-defense, or even pointed one at another person for that matter, and I have had knives pulled on me twice, and a gun pointed at me on three separate occasions. All were resolved without injury to myself, or the death of the idiot threatening me.

 

I know I would and could pull the trigger if someone were seriously threatening my wife, children or another innocent potential victim. The potential victim has done nothing to deserve being beaten, raped or killed. Anyone who chooses to commit such a violent act against a victim has already made the decision whether the trigger should be pulled.

 

The biggest problem with guns is that we've lived in a society protected by those trained to use guns on our behalf for so long, too many don't understand their proper use or true value.

Very, Very, Very good post 007!! :thumb: :thumb:

Here's a question that occurs to me whenever gun owner's rights issues come up...one to ponder:

 

Which is worse:

 

To be so mistrustful of our society that we believe owning a gun is necessary in the 21st centrury

 

OR

 

To refuse to succomb to the notion that the only way to protect oneself is to won a fire arm?

 

 

One crys "Paranoia" and "Degenerate Society".

 

The other, "Naive" and "Head in the Clodus"

Not all people who own guns are idiots...but if there is an idiot that's your neighbor, wouldn't you want to know if he had a gun?

What business is that of mine?

Me too!

 

I think I want a comprehensive list of everyone with a concealed carry permit.

 

I mean, if they have a right to carry a concealed weapon, shouldn't I have a right to know who they are?

What makes you think you have that right? What is it about law abiding citizens that scares you?

So, my question still is, why should I not have a right to know who has a license for concealed carry?

I'm not picking on you, I swear, but I still want to know what makes you think you should have that right.

Frankly, I'd be fine with just getting rid of the conceal and carry, but I'd be fine with wearing a holster for my sidearm. I'd guess that we'd have less crime if you were dealing with folks who were visibly packing.

I'm not picking on you, I swear, but I still want to know what makes you think you should have that right.

As I think about this, I wonder what it hurts to reveal this list. I think the paper was wrong to do it, but, do you have a right to privacy in this matter? Neither Ohio nor Kentucky require registration of handguns. Does this impose on the 2nd amendment? I would say no because it does not impede your ownership of guns, only your ability to carry a concealed weapon.

Here's a question that occurs to me whenever gun owner's rights issues come up...one to ponder:

 

Which is worse:

 

To be so mistrustful of our society that we believe owning a gun is necessary in the 21st centrury

 

OR

 

To refuse to succomb to the notion that the only way to protect oneself is to won a fire arm?

 

 

One crys "Paranoia" and "Degenerate Society".

 

The other, "Naive" and "Head in the Clodus"

I'll just answer this way, I'd much rather have the gun myself to protect my family or myself should the occasion happen than to hope the police can make it in time to help.

Frankly, I'd be fine with just getting rid of the conceal and carry, but I'd be fine with wearing a holster for my sidearm. I'd guess that we'd have less crime if you were dealing with folks who were visibly packing.

 

See! I agree with that!

 

Why hide it?

 

You have the right to bear arms, I have no problem with that!

 

I just want to know that as a peaceful, law-abiding citizen, I have the right to be able to know who is armed and who isn't.

 

It could make all the difference in the world!

 

For instance, if RTS were packin', and I ran into him, I'd probably not give him one iota of grief about his empty magloader.

 

But, if he had the gun concealed, I'd go on and on and then he'd get mad, and go ballistic, and shoot me!

 

 

See?! All that could have been avoided if I'd have just known he had a gun.

As I think about this, I wonder what it hurts to reveal this list. I think the paper was wrong to do it, but, do you have a right to privacy in this matter? Neither Ohio nor Kentucky require registration of handguns. Does this impose on the 2nd amendment? I would say no because it does not impede your ownership of guns, only your ability to carry a concealed weapon.

I don't think they have any right to reveal the information. I do believe you have a right to privacy on this issue. What purpose does it serve in the first place to publish the information? Who's it helping?