July 9, 200719 yr I don't think they have any right to reveal the information. I do believe you have a right to privacy on this issue. What purpose does it serve in the first place to publish the information? Who's it helping? Here's what cracks me up: Because you have a gun, your right to privacy supercedes the rights of others to know that you are armed? So, the constitution and laws protects you from us. What laws protect me from you?
July 9, 200719 yr I don't think they have any right to reveal the information. I do believe you have a right to privacy on this issue. What purpose does it serve in the first place to publish the information? Who's it helping?You have to be able to prove that harm would be done by revealing the info. I just don't see where that's the case. Which amendment guarantees our right to privacy?
July 9, 200719 yr See! I agree with that! Why hide it? You have the right to bear arms, I have no problem with that! I just want to know that as a peaceful, law-abiding citizen, I have the right to be able to know who is armed and who isn't. It could make all the difference in the world! For instance, if RTS were packin', and I ran into him, I'd probably not give him one iota of grief about his empty magloader. But, if he had the gun concealed, I'd go on and on and then he'd get mad, and go ballistic, and shoot me! See?! All that could have been avoided if I'd have just know he had a gun. :lol: :lol: :lol: I don't care who you are, that's funny right there! :thumb: RM, in a perfect world we wouldn't need guns, but this world is far from perfect. I have to ask this, unless you're a criminal, why would it matter to you if someone had a conceal carry?
July 9, 200719 yr Here's what cracks me up: Because you have a gun, your right to privacy supercedes the rights of others to know that you are armed? So, the constitution and laws protects you from us. What laws protect me from you? Should we publish how many knives you own?
July 9, 200719 yr You have to be able to prove that harm would be done by revealing the info. I just don't see where that's the case. Which amendment guarantees our right to privacy? I didn't say one did, I just said I don't think anyone has a right to my info when I did something legally. Why does everyone have such huge nose problems these days?
July 9, 200719 yr Should we publish how many knives you own? Sure, I don't care. :lol: Most of them are too dull to do any harm, but here goes: I have about 10 butcher knives, of varying blade widths and lengths. I guess you could say I conceal them, because they lay in my kitchen drawer until needed...except the pesky couple that always seem to be dirty in the kitchen sink. Then, I have some steak knives. Now, those are pretty dusty, because I can't remember the last time I cooked some steak at home. Then, I have your plain ol' table kinves. Most of them are in pretty bad shape, because my daughter keeps locking herself in her room by accident, and I have to keep prying her out. So...Now...there you have it!
July 9, 200719 yr Should we publish how many knives you own?Bad analogy. Guns aren't required to be registered. Knives fall under the concealed weapons laws. And they didn't publish how many or what kind of guns the owners had, only who had permits for conceal carry.
July 9, 200719 yr I didn't say one did, I just said I don't think anyone has a right to my info when I did something legally. Why does everyone have such huge nose problems these days? Why are you so secretive? :sssh: Seriously...everyone is always so worried someone might know their business. If people know you have a concealed carry license, what harm is there in that?
July 9, 200719 yr Why are you so secretive? :sssh: Seriously...everyone is always so worried someone might know their business. If people know you have a concealed carry license, what harm is there in that?I'm not secretive or worried, I just am so sick and tired of people today thinking they have to know everything that's going on everywhere. I just don't get what business it is of anyone if I own a gun or have a conceal carry. Honestly, I think the scared and worried people are the chicken littles of this world that have to know who has what and where.
July 9, 200719 yr Bad analogy. Guns aren't required to be registered. Knives fall under the concealed weapons laws. And they didn't publish how many or what kind of guns the owners had, only who had permits for conceal carry.May be a bad analogy, but you get the point.
July 9, 200719 yr You're arguing in circles here... :lol: Just for fun, I thought I'd tackle this: Let's try this, answer the following questions and you'll find your answer: ...if you're not doing anything wrong, why does it matter if I know you are a homosexual? I don't think too many hide fact these days. Of course sexuality is a legally protected status, as is gender and age. So, I don't see what this has to do with the question. ...if you're not doing anything wrong, why does it matter if I know how much you earn? There are plenty of jobs out there who's salaries are posted, and we all can find out the compensation of most any major corporate executive. I'm not getting this one either. ...if you're not doing anything wrong, why does it matter if I know where you keep your savings and how much is there? Well there's two ways to think about this one...One, you might take my money...since you have a gun and all....or two...you might try to steal my identity. ...if you're not doing anything wrong, why does it matter if I know whether you are abstinate, a nymphomaniac or somewhere in between? Isn't this a bit over the top? ...if you're not doing anything wrong, why does it matter if I know how frequently you consume alcohol and how much? Well, just ask, for Pete's sake! ...if you're not doing anything wrong, why does it matter if I know who you really are, not just some avatar on an internet message board? Again, just ask. Lots of people know who the "real people" are. ...if you're not doing anything wrong, why does it matter if I know who you vote for in every election? I'll gladly allow you to publish who I vote for...I'll even let you tell everyone who I didn't vote for! ...if you're not doing anything wrong, why does it matter if I know your medical records? For employment purposes, I know this falls under the discrimiation laws. ...if you're not doing anything wrong, why does it matter if I know how many children you have aborted if any? Becaus you might shoot me! :lol: I could go on, the point is none of this is anyone's business for many good reasons. Owning a gun is a Constitutionally protected right, having sex is not, and yet liberal editors pull an end run to "out" lawful gun owners violating every decent sense of respect for a lawful individual's privacy... while at the same time arguing heatedly to protect the "privacy" of individuals infected with HIV/AIDS, essentially allowing them to go about infecting others with a disease ultimately just as deadly as a well placed bullet. This is insane. I love it! The constitution guarantees the right to bear arms! That must be protected at all costs! :lol: I love how you try to spin the conversation away from the simple task of answering the question "Why does it matter if I know you have a concealed carry license?" to include volatile social questions. Finger pointing doesn't answer the question. I just want to know why it matters. I'm not and anti-gun nut. I'm simply a person who thinks a peaceful, law-abiding person should have the right to know who might be carrying a gun that I can't see.
July 9, 200719 yr I'm not secretive or worried, I just am so sick and tired of people today thinking they have to know everything that's going on everywhere. I just don't get what business it is of anyone if I own a gun or have a conceal carry. Honestly, I think the scared and worried people are the chicken littles of this world that have to know who has what and where. I'm not a chicken little. :lol: Far from it. But, I can tell you this...in a volatile situation, if I saw someone with a gun, I would have a better idea of what to do than if someone just whipped it out in a complete surprise to all!
July 9, 200719 yr I'm not a chicken little. :lol: Far from it. But, I can tell you this...in a volatile situation, if I saw someone with a gun, I would have a better idea of what to do than if someone just whipped it out in a complete surprise to all! Why in the world would a law abiding citizen whip out a gun on you? What are you going to do, carry around a list of who is packing and who isn't? Why? Should I have the right to know if you're carrying pepper spray?
July 9, 200719 yr You successfully dodged every question... :lol: My point was, whether morally or ethically grounded, every one of those examples have to do with protected private information directly linked to legal activities. You answered why we protect some of that information. There are good reasons for keeping all of that information private. The irony/hypocrisy here is that if some agree with the root cause or activity, the information should be kept private. If they disagree, we should "out" its practitioners. The newspaper was playing dirty pool. Why protect AIDS carriers, when their misbehavior could directly result in more infections, resulting in more deaths? Do you honestly believe discrimination is one way? Would you honestly consider the qualifications of two job applicants equally, if you knew one had a concealed carry permit? If so, you're exceptional.
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