I seriously doubt that this is true. Unless you're in a position of frequent danger, such as carrying large deposits to the bank, running a liquor store, etc., I doubt that you will ever be confronted by a situation that requires use of a gun. Just look at the number of police officers who have never fired their weapon at a criminal. I think the most likely result is some cowboy taking the life of a person or causing injury to others when it wasn't necessary.

I understand your comment about the police officer who has never fired his or her weapon but I disagree with you on the average citizen. Though the incidents are few and far between (as with a police officer), there have been incidents in our area recently where homeowner's had to use deadly force to protect their family from someone who entered their home while the family slept. Each one had a legally registered firearm and the knowledge to use it properly. A person with a concealed weapon permit is trained to use the weapon only when in fear for their life the same as a police officer. The cowboy scenario you mentioned IMO does not normaly involve a person who is properly trained and licensed to carry a weapon. That usually takes place by the idiot neighbor that has previously been mentioned.

I understand your comment about the Plice officer who has never fired his or her weapon but I disagree wtih you on the average citizen. Though the incidents are few and far between there have been incidents in our area recently where a homeowner had to use deadly force to protect his family from someone who entered their home while the family slept. Each one had a legally registered firearm and the knowledge to use it properly. A person with a concealed weapon permit is trained to use the weapon only when in fear for their life the same as a police officer. The cowboy scenario you mentioned IMO does not normaly involve a person who is properly trained and licensed to carry a weapon. That usually takes place by the idiot neighbor that has previously been mentioned.

 

 

On the flip side, I know of not one single person who's ever fired their weapon in defense of themselves or anyone else.

Like I said...me owning a gun is senseless. I have no will to fire it. If the hoodlums want my stuff (unlikely, but IF) then they'll get it. And, as I said above...I really don't care one way or another...but I still would trust the guy carrying his gun openly more than the guy who hides it. You can just chalk that one down to a personal experience.

I understand that guns are not for everyone and I am not forcing the issue for you to own one. It is your right to do so if you wish. I agree with you that if they want you or your belongings then they will do whatever they can to do so, I stated that previously.

Whether a person displays a weapon on their side ( and it doesn't have to be a gun) in public or chooses to conceal it should not be considered in the trust factor ( trust is something earned not given) The person who conceals it is not doing so for the law abiding citizens, they carry it for protection against the individual or individuals who choose to not play by the rules.

On the flip side, I know of not one single person who's ever fired their weapon in defense of themselves or anyone else.

That is great and it tells me that there are some responsible gun owners in todays society.I hope that as a gun owner I have to never use my weapon on someone but it is nice to know that I have the knowledge and training to properly use it if I am ever in a situation to do so.

On the flip side, I know of not one single person who's ever fired their weapon in defense of themselves or anyone else.

This comment was not for me but just from reading it that would show me a responsible gun owner. The use of a gun as protection should be a last resort only - matter of life and death of ones person or a loved one. I am just thankul that we as Americans have The Right To Keep And Bear Arms if we so choose. That is given to us by the 2nd amendment of The Constitution Of The United States Of America. I am not wanting to argue the point, just saying that it is our right as Law Abiding Citizens of this country. We should not have to defend it, rather stand up and claim the right.

 

I respect others that do not want to own a gun but I do not respect the ones in society that want to take my right to own a firearm / firearms of my choice away.:thumb:

Whatever your position is on guns or CCW laws, it’s obvious this newspaper was acting maliciously to further their agenda. Maybe they should be using their time and effort to lobby for increasing police presence in gun crime areas and the seizure of unlawfully possessed guns rather than wasting their time with citizens acting legally.

It appears that this was all started in March when a Cincinnati newspaper requested the list from the Erie County Sheriff's office.

Whatever your position is on guns or CCW laws, it’s obvious this newspaper was acting maliciously to further their agenda. Maybe they should be using their time and effort to lobby for increasing police presence in gun crime areas and the seizure of unlawfully possessed guns rather than wasting their time with citizens acting legally.

:thumb: Great point.

That is great and it tells me that there are some responsible gun owners in todays society.I hope that as a gun owner I have to never use my weapon on someone but it is nice to know that I have the knowledge and training to properly use it if I am ever in a situation to do so.

 

I don't even know a gun owner who's had to make the choice is what I mean.

It appears that this was all started in March when a Cincinnati newspaper requested the list from the Erie County Sheriff's office.

 

What possible interest would either the Post or Enquirer have in what's going on in Erie County, at the other end of the state? Unless they were tracking some statewide trend, which means they likely also asked for those records in every other major urban area in the state.

Again, what are the advantages of carrying concealed vs. exposed?

What possible interest would either the Post or Enquirer have in what's going on in Erie County, at the other end of the state? Unless they were tracking some statewide trend, which means they likely also asked for those records in every other major urban area in the state.

Can't answer that. All I know is this came from a lawsuit from the Sheriff to get an answer as to whether the lists could be made public after being requested by a Cincinnati paper. The judge said yes.

Again, what are the advantages of carrying concealed vs. exposed?

I think an exposed weapon would be a bigger deterrent.

Again, what are the advantages of carrying concealed vs. exposed?

A legally screened, law abiding, morally grounded citizen with a firearm is foolish to go waving it around in any situation until it is absolutely time to reveal it and pull the trigger. To advertise that one is packing heat, only serves to ensure that a criminal will stack the odds further in their own favor by setting an ambush or firing first.

 

All this firing a warning shot, or getting the drop on someone is a bunch of John Wayne, Hollywood mumbo jumbo. It's the best way to get killed or injured really fast.

 

I own many guns. I have never used one in anger, self-defense, or even pointed one at another person for that matter, and I have had knives pulled on me twice, and a gun pointed at me on three separate occasions. All were resolved without injury to myself, or the death of the idiot threatening me.

 

I know I would and could pull the trigger if someone were seriously threatening my wife, children or another innocent potential victim. The potential victim has done nothing to deserve being beaten, raped or killed. Anyone who chooses to commit such a violent act against a victim has already made the decision whether the trigger should be pulled.

 

The biggest problem with guns is that we've lived in a society protected by those trained to use guns on our behalf for so long, too many don't understand their proper use or true value.

I don't even know a gun owner who's had to make the choice is what I mean.

I understand. However, I do know someone who has.

Again, what are the advantages of carrying concealed vs. exposed?

 

To begin with, it is very hard to carry a firearm openly and abide by the law. As the law pertains to openly carrying a firearm, if any part of that firearm is concealed then you are concealing a firearm. In other words, if your shirt falls over the butt of the gun, unintentionally, then you are concealing a firearm. Technically if you are sitting down and leaned back in a chair, with a gun strapped to your back, you are concealing a firearm.

 

So, to be a better law abiding citizen, it is better to just get a CCDW permit, even if you are going to carry openly.