June 25, 200719 yr I would think a classroom with 20-30 youngsters is a place that needs to be drug free. Yeah you are right.....but where do you draw the line. How many civil liberties is it ok to take away to insure a drug free teacher.
June 25, 200719 yr I would think a classroom with 20-30 youngsters is a place that needs to be drug free. A teacher doesn't have to do drugs at school to test positive. If a teacher was coming to school messed up the school should pick up on that and act.
June 25, 200719 yr A teacher doesn't have to do drugs at school to test positive. If a teacher was coming to school messed up the school should pick up on that and act. Likewise, a student doesn't have to be using drugs on school property to test positive on a drug test. Drugs are illegal. Whether you use them on school property or at your home. Students or teachers popping positive should be subject to disciplinary action regardless of where the drugs were used.
June 25, 200719 yr Why as an adult should I lose all of the rights guaranteed to me by the bill of rights because of my career choice? If everybody else is willing to give those up at their jobs then I will toss mine into the ring as well. Courts have decided in numerous courtcases that the students don't have some of these rights to protect them against harming themselves abd other students. Being required to take a drug test is not losing all of your rights granted under the Bill of Rights. If that was the case, no employer could do drug testing. Being required to take a drug test is simply a condition of employment. Just like an employer can force you to work overtime even if you don't want to. If you don't like it, find a new job. Having said that, I'm not necessarily if favor of drug tests just for the fun of it. They are way too expensive do be doing that (the screening test is not too expensive, but the confirming test is quite expensive). There needs to be justification for it. In my mind, the entrustment of kids to teachers is such justification. Stoned teachers cannot do their job of teaching our children. Stoned teachers can harm our children. Stoned teachers are sending the wrong message totally to our children. Teachers using drugs are engaging in illegal actions. That is enough justification for me. If my firm required all partners to take random drug tests, I'd say "pass the bottle". I'd be totally in favor of it, as attorneys using drugs can quickly mess up a clients needs which subjects my firm to malpractice claims. I would think most teachers would want to take drug tests to catch those teachers on drugs and throw them out of the occupation.
June 25, 200719 yr Being required to take a drug test is not losing all of your rights granted under the Bill of Rights. If that was the case, no employer could do drug testing. Being required to take a drug test is simply a condition of employment. Just like an employer can force you to work overtime even if you don't want to. If you don't like it, find a new job. Having said that, I'm not necessarily if favor of drug tests just for the fun of it. They are way too expensive do be doing that (the screening test is not too expensive, but the confirming test is quite expensive). There needs to be justification for it. In my mind, the entrustment of kids to teachers is such justification. Stoned teachers cannot do their job of teaching our children. Stoned teachers can harm our children. Stoned teachers are sending the wrong message totally to our children. Teachers using drugs are engaging in illegal actions. That is enough justification for me. If my firm required all partners to take random drug tests, I'd say "pass the bottle". I'd be totally in favor of it, as attorneys using drugs can quickly mess up a clients needs which subjects my firm to malpractice claims. I would think most teachers would want to take drug tests to catch those teachers on drugs and throw them out of the occupation. Throughout this thread I've said numerous times that we already do random drug tests, So I don't see any problem in participating in these tests. What I have a problem with is people saying that authorities should bust into the school and go through my personal possessions and through my car without probable cause. Last time I checked this violates the 4th amendment of the Bill of Rights. Police busting in and searching teachers without probable cause also sends the wrong message to our children. Since we spend countless hours teaching them all of the core content in Social Studies which concentrates on Government and the Constitution, They should see how it protects you when you are an adult.
June 25, 200719 yr Likewise, a student doesn't have to be using drugs on school property to test positive on a drug test. Drugs are illegal. Whether you use them on school property or at your home. Students or teachers popping positive should be subject to disciplinary action regardless of where the drugs were used. Big Brother is upon us. The last 2 presidents have done drugs and noone seemed too concerned.
June 25, 200719 yr Would you let them search your car? Would you let them search your home? Would you let them call friends and family to check on you? For drugs? Yes. I have nothing to hide.
June 25, 200719 yr For drugs? Yes. I have nothing to hide. Would you let the police call your spouse's employer to ask about drug use? Would you let the police call your children's teachers asking if they have ever noticed you seeming to be "high?" Would you let the police show up at your house daily to test you? Search your house daily? Would you be OK if the police followed you around? At what point do you say "enough is enough?" Do you not believe in the legal concept of "probable cause?" Illegal search?
June 25, 200719 yr Throughout this thread I've said numerous times that we already do random drug tests, So I don't see any problem in participating in these tests. What I have a problem with is people saying that authorities should bust into the school and go through my personal possessions and through my car without probable cause. Last time I checked this violates the 4th amendment of the Bill of Rights. Police busting in and searching teachers without probable cause also sends the wrong message to our children. Since we spend countless hours teaching them all of the core content in Social Studies which concentrates on Government and the Constitution, They should see how it protects you when you are an adult. Are you in the Commonwealth? Are random tests part of state policy. I was unaware of that:confused:
June 25, 200719 yr Are you in the Commonwealth? Are random tests part of state policy. I was unaware of that:confused: Yes, and they are voluntary by school district. I know several of the schools in the eighth region are implementing this rule.
June 25, 200719 yr Yes, and they are voluntary by school district. I know several of the schools in the eighth region are implementing this rule. Good. I hope others follow suit
June 25, 200719 yr Being required to take a drug test is not losing all of your rights granted under the Bill of Rights. If that was the case, no employer could do drug testing. Being required to take a drug test is simply a condition of employment. Just like an employer can force you to work overtime even if you don't want to. If you don't like it, find a new job. Having said that, I'm not necessarily if favor of drug tests just for the fun of it. They are way too expensive do be doing that (the screening test is not too expensive, but the confirming test is quite expensive). There needs to be justification for it. In my mind, the entrustment of kids to teachers is such justification. Stoned teachers cannot do their job of teaching our children. Stoned teachers can harm our children. Stoned teachers are sending the wrong message totally to our children. Teachers using drugs are engaging in illegal actions. That is enough justification for me. If my firm required all partners to take random drug tests, I'd say "pass the bottle". I'd be totally in favor of it, as attorneys using drugs can quickly mess up a clients needs which subjects my firm to malpractice claims. I would think most teachers would want to take drug tests to catch those teachers on drugs and throw them out of the occupation. I agree with all but your last sentence. I believe we should extend a second chance and make every effort to help said individual overcome their drug use. If that helping hand is not recieved then yes, throw them out.
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