I am sorry that you cannot see the error in this...its seems as if you have never been in a situation where someone belittled you for your race or sex...things of which you have no choice over but are proud of just the same. If you truly believe that no hurt or pain comes from this, then you are mistaken.

If the basketball players for Rutgers had fuzzy blond hair would Imus be fired for saying they had cotton topped hair. If they all had red hair would he be fired if he said they had carrot topped hair?

 

Would it be be painful and belittleing to the others if he made those particular comments instead of the "nappy" comment.

 

Would P&G or any other companies pull their sponsorship monies over comments such as these if they were made and these ladies said they felt offended?

 

Would Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton be quick to come to the defense of these offended white ladies with blond or red hair if they felt offended?

 

Is there a difference in any of these hypothetical situations?

I am sorry that you cannot see the error in this...its seems as if you have never been in a situation where someone belittled you for your race or sex...things of which you have no choice over but are proud of just the same. If you truly believe that no hurt or pain comes from this, then you are mistaken.

So their little feelings got hurt. I've had mine hurt plenty of times; I've always been able to move on with my life though. People are way too sensitive nowadays, I find it pathetic.

They are irrelevant to the question "should Don Imus be fired?" As I stated, I don't think the comments were racist. They were mean. He should be fired because he was mean, not because of anything Sharpton or Jackson says or does. If MSNBC and P&G fire him because they are responsive to the wrong reason (and I think you're right about that), that may the topic of a diferent thread, but I think the achieved result is correct.

Oh my Lord, has this country broken down that much that someone needs to be fired because they were a big meany?! :creepy:

So their little feelings got hurt. I've had mine hurt plenty of times; I've always been able to move on with my life though. People are way too sensitive nowadays, I find it pathetic.

 

I agree, but what is the best way to deal with rude or nasty behavior? I agree you don't pass a law. I agree that you don't do what Sharpton and Jackson are doing. But I disagree that you just take it and move on. Imus is not in power here, the network is. Firing his rear-end is a good start, and then we can deal with the double-standards in their own good time as well. But the fact of the double-standard does not act as a "waiver" for others to engage in that kind of behavior.

If the basketball players for Rutgers had fuzzy blond hair would Imus be fired for saying they had cotton topped hair. If they all had red hair would he be fired if he said they had carrot topped hair?

 

Would it be be painful and belittleing to the others if he made those particular comments instead of the "nappy" comment.

 

Would P&G or any other companies pull their sponsorship monies over comments such as these if they were made and these ladies said they felt offended?

 

Would Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton be quick to come to the defense of these offended white ladies with blond or red hair if they felt offended?

 

Is there a difference in any of these hypothetical situations?

Yep, skin color and the fear of the ever looming race card. Sad, isn't it?

I agree, but what is the best way to deal with rude or nasty behavior? I agree you don't pass a law. I agree that you don't do what Sharpton and Jackson are doing. But I disagree that you just take it and move on. Imus is not in powere here, the network is. Firing his rear-end is a good start, and then we can deal with the double-standards in their own good time as well. But the fact of the double-standard does not act as a "waiver" for others to engage in that kind of behavior.

Answer me this. Why wasn't something done about him a long time ago then? Hint - $ comes into play.

Oh my Lord, has this country broken down that much that someone needs to be fired because they were a big meany?! :creepy:

 

Well, a person can be fired at any time for any reason. Just like they can quit any time for any reason.

 

But I'll put it to you more directly. If this was your secretary, and he made a comment like that about a client of yours, would you fire him?

Answer me this. Why wasn't something done about him a long time ago then? Hint - $ comes into play.

 

There's no question about it. But does the fact that they've allowed the behavior in the past somehow "waive" the company's right to do something about it now? Is there a statute of limitations on taking action?

Well, a person can be fired at any time for any reason. Just like they can quit any time for any reason.

 

But I'll put it to you more directly. If this was your secretary, and he made a comment like that about a client of yours, would you fire him?

First offense, no. In fact I would be likely to give someone several chances; however, the Rutgers women’s BB team aren’t clients.

There's no question about it. But does the fact that they've allowed the behavior in the past somehow "waive" the company's right to do something about it now? Is there a statute of limitations on taking action?

I think the reasoning is what bothers me. IMO, it's skin color, plain and simple.

I have to get back to work, I'll pick this back up later.

Just so I'm clear, I'm not a fan of Imus either and I really can't stand Stern, that being said, they have their place in the market, that's why they’ve been so successful.

Frankly, you’re the one not getting the point here. I understand that you can’t stand the guy, but so what; evidently there are a lot of people that like his show. Feelings got hurt, nothing more. When I said no one was hurt, I meant physically and please don’t hand me the physiological damage that was done because there was none. Their feelings got hurt, big deal, be an adult and move on with your life for crying out loud. A stupid statement like his only detracts from their accomplishments if the girls themselves want it to.

I’m very blunt myself, as you can likely tell. The apologist statement really isn’t that hard to figure out, it wasn’t meant as a slam, however. People, such as yourself, seem to go over the top when a white guy says something stupid about a person of color, that’s all.

I don’t think Imus sat behind a microphone calling it free speech so he could degrade others; it was just his job and has been for years, he went a little too far for this day and age. I keep trying to explain to you that it’s a double standard when I speak of Hip Hop or comedians, you really should be able to see that skin color really does come into play in these situations. If you really pay attention, you’ll see it.

I'll respond here, even though I said my last....Hopefully, this will clarify.

 

1) I'm discussing Imus here and not lyrics, hip hop and etc....For the record, they are equally offensive to me, like cop shooting lyrics, degrading of women, etc....but that is another thread, another subject and I'm staying on Imus. I agree with you, just not subject at hand.

2) I've never liked him, never had a reason to discuss him on BGP, until now. Some may but I don't. His skin color, is of "zero" importance to me but his comments, are offensive to the Rutgers women.

3) Comedians, who use black on black comments, aren't funny and equally spread a false impression, to society.

4) I don't accept the "n" word, being used by an African American, anymore than I like the word "redneck", being used by a White American.

5) My comments have nothing, repeat nothing to do, with Imus's color but more of my feelings and how I was brought up. I don't see color, when describing someone, who is pathetic....Imus is pathetic, before this and after, in my book.

 

Not sure what you mean, by "people like you"....but, if taking a stance, against an intentional, hurtful and disgraceful comment, makes me "people like you"....than you've pegged me.

 

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I think the reasoning is what bothers me. IMO, it's skin color, plain and simple.

 

The double-standard bothers me greatly as well. But I don't think that the fact that a gross double-standard exists somehow should exempt us from patrolling the bad behavior ourselves. The double-standard is what the media bombs us with, but the fact remains that Don Imus said some nasty things about some people who hadn't done anything to him. 30 years ago there is no question that he would be fired, and probably also beaten up by these girls family members. Has the fact that the world has changed in 30 years, that there now is a gross double-standard that is publicized, that we have Sharptons and Jackson's mouthing off, somehow exempt us from our responsibility of taking this man off the airwaves? No. What was truth 30 years ago is still truth today, that his behavior is unacceptable. Can him.

I agree, but what is the best way to deal with rude or nasty behavior? I agree you don't pass a law. I agree that you don't do what Sharpton and Jackson are doing. But I disagree that you just take it and move on. Imus is not in power here, the network is. Firing his rear-end is a good start, and then we can deal with the double-standards in their own good time as well. But the fact of the double-standard does not act as a "waiver" for others to engage in that kind of behavior.

But no one deals with the double standard and maybe that's why people are in the uproar they are about it. Jesse Jackson made blatant racist statements that were IMVHO much worse then what Imus said and yet he is basically given a free pass and is in fact now one of the voices of "righteous indignation". The networks have perpetuated the double standard by basically knuckling under to the likes of Sharpton and Jackson so I'm sorry if I exhibit little hope that they will do anything to change it.

 

Jackson and Sharpton couldn't find enough microphones to get behind and condemn the lacrosse players at Duke a year ago, yet are the networks now pressing them for apologies for their remarks then? I know that is not what the topic of this thread is about but in my own limited mind it is a perfect illustration of the network's perpetuating the double standard and letting the standard bearers basically do what they want. It's not the fact that they are coming down on Imus that bothers me, he's a loudmouthed idiot that probably should have been fired years ago. It's the fact that the network and the sponsors basically did nothing for almost a week, until Jackson and Sharpton started whining.

I'll respond here, even though I said my last....Hopefully, this will clarify.

 

1) I'm discussing Imus here and not lyrics, hip hop and etc....For the record, they are equally offensive to me, like cop shooting lyrics, degrading of women, etc....but that is another thread, another subject and I'm staying on Imus. I agree with you, just not subject at hand.

2) I've never liked him, never had a reason to discuss him on BGP, until now. Some may but I don't. His skin color, is of "zero" importance to me but his comments, are offensive to the Rutgers women.

3) Comedians, who use black on black comments, aren't funny and equally spread a false impression, to society.

4) I don't accept the "n" word, being used by an African American, anymore than I like the word "redneck", being used by a White American.

5) My comments have nothing, repeat nothing to do, with Imus's color but more of my feelings and how I was brought up. I don't see color, when describing someone, who is pathetic....Imus is pathetic, before this and after, in my book.

 

Not sure what you mean, by "people like you"....but, if taking a stance, against an intentional, hurtful and disgraceful comment, makes me "people like you"....than you've pegged me.

 

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:lol: Please tell me you're not upset by "people like you" comment.

 

That's what I mean by apologist. Over the top. He made a stupid comment that hurt a few feelings, BIG DEAL.

 

I get it, you don't like Imus. But the reason this is such an issue IS because of skin color, like it or not. Regardless of how you see it.