Would you rather have a line with 280-300 pounders (2004-2006) who are strong, but maybe a little slow and lazy or 205-250 pounders (1996, ???) who are tough and quick, but not overly strong?

 

Not sure why bigger guys are considered this...

 

Given Glaser's gameplan, I think it's obvious that he would prefer the bigger stronger guys. If he thinks that's the best thing to execute his plan, then that's what I prefer, even if I personally don't always agree with his plan.

Xmen,

 

but what type of lineman do you prefer at X? Obviously, one would wish for big kids that can move, but we know that doesn't happen often. Would you rather have a line with 280-300 pounders (2004-2006) who are strong, but maybe a little slow and lazy or 205-250 pounders (1996, ???) who are tough and quick, but not overly strong?

 

A couple of things- One since X has traditionally being a running team, big and bulky works well if we are driving ahead and moving people out of the way. In pass blocking, quickness and long arms make the technique easier.

It is when you develop a lineman to drive and then try to call pass plays then it gets out of kilter. I think if you have a 300 pounder hitting a 190 pound linebacker or defensive end every play, the second half will be in favor of the larger linemen. If you allow the defensive player to rush, certainly the speed will be the advantage.

 

On another note, 280 pounds doesn't necessarily mean slow and lazy. The BEST athlete I have ever seen up close is Anthony Munoz who a lot of people don't know played shortstop for USC's national power baseball team. Denver is traditionally a team that uses smaller linemen in the pros but historically they have been known as cut block specialists. I think that you appraise what type of athlete(s) you have on the offensive line and decide what offense based on what you can do well. Most teams cannot run the same offense as Florida because they had 2 qb's with different skills.

Be sure to catch former St.X Tiger & UL Card Will Rabatin this evening on ESPN2 at 7:30pm. He starts at center for the Columbus Destroyers and has already established himself as one of the best linemen in the league and has been offered a multi year contract.

FYI-his dad played at Ohio State for Woody so Columbus is a good town for the Rabatin clan!

Give me the happy middle ground where the linemen are in the 250 - 280 range and are strong, tough, quick, and nasty.

I agree, but we must simply dare to dream.

On another note, 280 pounds doesn't necessarily mean slow and lazy. The BEST athlete I have ever seen up close is Anthony Munoz who a lot of people don't know played shortstop for USC's national power baseball team.

Of course there are exceptions, but at the high school level most guys that weigh 280 pounds are slow. The ones that aren't are called D-I athletes or in Munoz' case, All-Pro.

Xmen,

 

I don't want to get off on a tangent and am happy to start a thread about this, but what type of lineman do you prefer at X? Obviously, one would wish for big kids that can move, but we know that doesn't happen often. Would you rather have a line with 280-300 pounders (2004-2006) who are strong, but maybe a little slow and lazy or 205-250 pounders (1996, ???) who are tough and quick, but not overly strong?

 

I will concur with the old southern coach who liked his linemen mobile, agile and hostile. (He pronounced the adjectives with a long i).

Guys:

Defense

DL

Matt Smith, Chris Jones, Carpenter, Foy, Rayome, Craig Brutscher, Hildt,

LB- Heuser, Devine, Hall, Coombs

DB- Allgier, Hale, Merrimee, Blake, Kamber, Galbraith

 

 

Tell me about these guys? What kinds of size/speed do they have? Also, What are the responsibilities of the DL in a 4-3 versus a 3-4? Russell played a 3-4 alot. Seth played RT and his responsibility was to stand his guy(s) up and let the backers fill in to make the tackles. (He still had 59 tackles). Trying to learn more about football (I'm more of a round ball fella).

He will be starting somewhere! Safety, WR, RB, OLB., DE.

 

Should be around the 205-210 range by the time the season starts. DJ's big growth spurt will make the coaches once again try to figure out where to put him. I would say strong safety. I look for DJ to have a huge year.

I would say strong safety.

Strong safety? I know that they are switching to a 4-3...do they plan to stay in Cover-2 100% of the time...

I don't know how exactly how much this kid has grown but Montano does not even look like the same kid he was last year. I ran into them this weekend and did not even recognize him he is so much taller and larger. He has the speed to contribute to the offense this year in a big way.

Tell me about these guys? What kinds of size/speed do they have? Also, What are the responsibilities of the DL in a 4-3 versus a 3-4? Russell played a 3-4 alot. Seth played RT and his responsibility was to stand his guy(s) up and let the backers fill in to make the tackles. (He still had 59 tackles). Trying to learn more about football (I'm more of a round ball fella).

 

3-4 DT's have two gap responsibility, sounds like with his size he would command a few double teams at DT.

3-4 DT's have two gap responsibility, sounds like with his size he would command a few double teams at DT.

 

Neerfan, Thanks for the info, does that mean in a 4-3 a DT only has one gap?

3-4 DT's have two gap responsibility, sounds like with his size he would command a few double teams at DT.

 

In the 3-4, for whatever reason, the DT's are usually referred to as DE's. In a base alignment, the NG lines up in a 0-technique and has two gap responsibility (C-G either side), and the DE's line up in a 4-technique and also have two gap responsibility (G-T and T-E on their side). As NEERFAN has noted, this positioning often requires double-team blocking by the OL, which liberates the LB's to make the majority of the tackles. When the ends split wide, the three down linemen often adjust into 1, 3 and 5-techniques respectively, to further force double-team blocks by the OL. The basic duty of the three down linemen in the 3-4 is not so much to penetrate, but to hold their ground and guard their gaps while drawing the double-teams. Big DL's are usually required to successfully run a 3-4. Also the two MLB's usually need to be large and strong, since the OG's are uncovered and can fire out directly upon them rather than combo with the C or OT's. These MLB's are usually responsible for covering the inside area from tackle to tackle.

 

In the 4-3, the four down linemen are usually called DT's and DE's, and they will almost always shade to one side or the other, depending upon the offensive formation and the defensive call. In a 4-3, these four down linemen will normally attempt to penetrate within pre-determined lanes and make a play in the backfield. In the 4-3, the LB's are usually smaller and quicker, since they are expected to cover sideline to sideline.

 

At the professional level, it has become popular of late to utilize 3-4 personnel, and change up the alignment between 3-4 and 4-3 to confuse the OL blocking scheme.

In the 3-4, for whatever reason, the DT's are usually referred to as DE's. In a base alignment, the NG lines up in a 0-technique and has two gap responsibility (C-G either side), and the DE's line up in a 4-technique and also have two gap responsibility (G-T and T-E on their side). As NEERFAN has noted, this positioning often requires double-team blocking by the OL, which liberates the LB's to make the majority of the tackles. When the ends split wide, the three down linemen often adjust into 1, 3 and 5-techniques respectively, to further force double-team blocks by the OL. The basic duty of the three down linemen in the 3-4 is not so much to penetrate, but to hold their ground and guard their gaps while drawing the double-teams. Big DL's are usually required to successfully run a 3-4. Also the two MLB's usually need to be large and strong, since the OG's are uncovered and can fire out directly upon them rather than combo with the C or OT's. These MLB's are usually responsible for covering the inside area from tackle to tackle.

 

In the 4-3, the four down linemen are usually called DT's and DE's, and they will almost always shade to one side or the other, depending upon the offensive formation and the defensive call. In a 4-3, these four down linemen will normally attempt to penetrate within pre-determined lanes and make a play in the backfield. In the 4-3, the LB's are usually smaller and quicker, since they are expected to cover sideline to sideline.

 

At the professional level, it has become popular of late to utilize 3-4 personnel, and change up the alignment between 3-4 and 4-3 to confuse the OL blocking scheme.

 

Thank you! That really helped! :thumb:

Tell me about these guys? What kinds of size/speed do they have? Also, What are the responsibilities of the DL in a 4-3 versus a 3-4? Russell played a 3-4 alot. Seth played RT and his responsibility was to stand his guy(s) up and let the backers fill in to make the tackles. (He still had 59 tackles). Trying to learn more about football (I'm more of a round ball fella).

I haven't seen them after the season much but here's my summary. Welcome back- I saw your son at the baseball game and I am sure your son will fit in nicely.

Matt Smith, 6-4 265- all state candidate

Chris Jones, 5 8 220 -all heart-nose for the ball. More fumble recoveries and sacks than anyone.

Carpenter,- 5-10 245-good speed, athlete, 3 year player

Foy,-6-6 240 sophomore who needs to fill out and lift( he probably has)

Rayome,- 6-0 220- dislocated knee cap last year, solid before

Craig Brutscher, 5-11 220- sophomore with promise

Hildt, -one of the strongest but smallest- 6-0 195. Fast-played wr first two years.

LB- Heuser,-Division one recruit-adds toughness to defense 6-1 210 Devine, Good solid player

Hall, 6'2 200 bigger and faster every time I see him-

Coombs-with Heuser, adds nastiness and hitting ability

DB- Allgier,good solid db, part time starter last year

Hale,-full time starter- covered Revere from Lex Catholic one on one.

Merrimee, Blake, Kamber, Galbraith - all good athletes