I wasn't under the impression that you had to be Catholic to attend a Catholic school. Good gosh, if the schools thought that way they'd be accused of bigotry and discrimination in a heartbeat.

I think that might be a Jefferson County phenomenom that might not hold true in other parts of the state. Not doubting it in Jefferson County, but in NKY I would be hard pressed to name an athlete (surely someone else can do it for me) that went from private to public in girls basketball, let alone say it is the norm. Rest of the sports I am not versed enough to make a informed call.

 

I also think that places like Oak Hill doesn't help the perception of private schools. Private schools that are obviously nothing but basketball factories with academics added in. Unfortunately, the ones doing it the right way will get lumped in.

 

But that is the same for publics. For privates, all publics are getting lumped in with "not working hard enough" and "just want the easy road to a championship" argument.

If you are referring to girls going from a private grade school to a public high school, you must be kidding. Check out Highlands roster and see how many of their kids attended a private grade school, their are several at Campbell co., and others at Bellevue, and a number of others I won't name. Boone Co. has an outstanding player that was at Holy Cross last year. Of course she left Ludlow to go to Holy Cross 2years before that, so this cuts both ways. The list goes on, however. I have no problem with this, as I'm sure in some cases it is a financial matter. But to say that girls don't go from private grade schools to public high schools is just being naive.

What is the big deal as to an alleged exodus of 8th grade students from public to privte or vice-versa? People vote with their feet in these cases. If a family feels that a public school is better for their student, so be it. If a family wants to pay several thousand dollars per year to have their student attend a private, so be it. If a school does not want to lose students to a competing school, improve! Provide an atmosphere of top academics and athletics in a safe environment and students will flow into your school.

Outstanding post. "Build it and they will come." You have touched on the very Heart of this matter.

I suspect that, if JBS continues to have success, its public neighbors will have to decide whether to work harder or to whine to KHSAA. My money will be bet on the latter since that is the route universally taken in other parts of the commonwealth.

I am sure you are right. They'll adopt the old "If you can't beat them, ban them" attitude.

I guess they will be a small footnote after yesterday's loss.

No football team at Trinity has been made up entirely of Catholics. Does the team reflect the school? It is my understanding that Trinity is 50%-60% Catholic as a school, so it is not surprising that the team also has non-Catholics.

That was the only point I was trying to make. The first post in this thread that I replied to tried to claim the contrary. I beleive the number of catholic students given was 95%. Seems way overestimated.

That was the only point I was trying to make. The first post in this thread that I replied to tried to claim the contrary. I beleive the number of catholic students given was 95%. Seems way overestimated.

 

Again you did not read what I posted..I stated that kids within the football program specific to T and impact players was the 95% from the CGS system...

I have made it a point the past few years to check the church background of the Trinity players. It is listed in the program. Trinity, as a school, is about 80 percent Catholic. I have NEVER found the football team to be as high as 20 percent non Catholic. As I remember, 15 percent is about as high as I can remember. Most years it is less than that. In other words, the football team does reflect the student body, but the participation of non Catholics on the team is a little lower than for the school as a whole.

The overwhelming majority of football players on LexCath's teams have also come from the parochial feeder schools.

Probably a couple of other things. Notice their web site, http://www.alc.edu/jbs/jbs.htm and you see that they don't even have a sport link. It isn't a priority. One of the stud players is the son of the college President, a President who has been tied to the school for more than 20 years, so it certainly isn't an athletics issue. And although there is always some rumbling when a school this size does well, most remember that the majority of this team has in fact played together since 4th or 5th grade. Much like Elliott County in this year's tournament, it is more about proof that if the kids stay as a unit, they have a better chance to succeed.

 

Also note that even if Proposal 2 from this year had been in effect, most say it would have had no effect on this team as those kids had always been there. Someone may be able to correct me on specific kids, but there certainly haven't been the usual rumblings about this school.

The Presidents sons are on the team and athletics were not a major concern until the Pres. sons were starting to play and The Pres family is deep in athletic tradition. Earvin was a leading scorer in the state some time back. Basketball is what has defined the Stepp family notority. The Pres brought his brothers in to coach his kids. The forming of this group of players had only one purpose in mind and that was to promote Clark and Clint as basketball players. Early on players were attracted to JBS from the elementary systems in and around Knott Co. The school Alice Llyod College (which owns JBS) spends tons of money with the local tv station and in returns uses its influence to promote Clark. The assigning secretary in the past was the headmaster at JBS. Now the school has hired or hired family members of many refs in the 14th region. So a school this small doesn't just get lucky and have the tallest and most talented kids in an area. This took alot of work to amass this much talent in one scholl of approx. 70 students. This is a well planned and well followed plan to build a program to self promote ones children. Keeping this group together for next year seems to getting more difficult though as there were many internal problems this year(even one walkout by most players). The school was built and formed on some of the most nobilist ideas and has been taken hostage for a few peoples glory. This time will pass and kids will move on and I hope the school will continue to compete but after the Clint graduates I am afraid it will struggle to even field a team.

JMHO

I cannot believe that June Buchanan takes those good students and athletes away from those small mountain schools. They stole success from the other public schools. They surely must have recruited. They have been recruiting for many decades. First on mule, then on horseback, and now by reputation, strong discipline, strong academics, and a strong community. How dare they win the region and get to the sweet sixteen.

 

They may have been off the public radar as the annual homecoming victory in the past, but just stay tuned to this board and after this years successes there will be no doubt that they to will be a private punching bag for the publics.

 

Can I quote myself?

Can I quote myself?

It has more to do with building a team for the Presidents kids than overall recruiting. I know what you are trying to bait but I won't go there. Why are the privates so afriad of seperation anyway, could have open season then, just don't understand why it is a problem. Also look back a few years and this debate over JBS has been on-going in the mountains for years

If any KHSAA guidelines are broken, then contact them.

It has more to do with building a team for the Presidents kids than overall recruiting. I know what you are trying to bait but I won't go there. Why are the privates so afriad of seperation anyway, could have open season then, just don't understand why it is a problem. Also look back a few years and this debate over JBS has been on-going in the mountains for years

 

If there is a fear of seperation I think it is with the smaller schools in all activities and with the larger schools in all sports except football.

 

I am not trying to bait anything. The private schools are a part of the KHSAA the same as any other type of member school. The majority of members of the KHSAA apparently wanted seperation between public and private. However, the Kentucky Board of Education sees it different at this time. Therefore no seperation.

 

In my opinion the KHSAA majority of members voted for seperation because there is a perceived advantage that the private schools have in attracting "athletes" to their schools that most publics do not. This perception is also fueled by rumored and unsubstantiated recruiting rules violations. I also believe that this is mostly a football driven issue on the surface.

 

When and where KHSAA officials began to believe that certain students "belong" to them and not others I do not know. As far as JBS is concerned, if I were president, coach, teacher, janitor, or other working at a school my kids would most likely go there. This school makes it to the sweet sixteen with kids who have grown up as friends, cousins, borthers, and neighbors all with like values and interests, and attend the same school there must be some recruiting plot to get around KHSAA rules is just more rumor and unsubstantiated charges. The same that has fueled this public private split debate.

If there is a fear of seperation I think it is with the smaller schools in all activities and with the larger schools in all sports except football.

 

I am not trying to bait anything. The private schools are a part of the KHSAA the same as any other type of member school. The majority of members of the KHSAA apparently wanted seperation between public and private. However, the Kentucky Board of Education sees it different at this time. Therefore no seperation.

 

In my opinion the KHSAA majority of members voted for seperation because there is a perceived advantage that the private schools have in attracting "athletes" to their schools that most publics do not. This perception is also fueled by rumored and unsubstantiated recruiting rules violations. I also believe that this is mostly a football driven issue on the surface.

 

When and where KHSAA officials began to believe that certain students "belong" to them and not others I do not know. As far as JBS is concerned, if I were president, coach, teacher, janitor, or other working at a school my kids would most likely go there. This school makes it to the sweet sixteen with kids who have grown up as friends, cousins, borthers, and neighbors all with like values and interests, and attend the same school there must be some recruiting plot to get around KHSAA rules is just more rumor and unsubstantiated charges. The same that has fueled this public private split debate.

Again I am not bringing up any khsaa violations. But these kids have not grown up together or are they friends, cousins or neighbors. Now that school is out lets see how many of these so called friends return next year.