"It has been shown over and over that an overwealming majority of the students that change after 8th grade go from private schools to public."

 

 

This statement I have a very hard time believing to be true. Even if it is, how many of these students are good, or even great, athletes. That seems to be the case with a few of the programs across our commonwealth. If you don't believe me, ask a few coaches who have worked in Fayette and surrounding counties.

 

I stand by my statement. It is why when the travesty that is Prop 2 was first proposed the private side proposed that it only apply to student going from public to private because 1. more students go from parochial schools to public high schools and 2. they didn't want to penalize those parents that exercised their right to choose their children's school.

 

LBBC you really seem to want to separate Jefferson County from the rest of the state but it is still part of the state. At some point what happens in and to Jefferson HAS to be considered in any proposal. Maybe what happens in Jefferson isn't reflected in every part of the state BUT it is still relevant to any argument.

I went to JBS with these student-athletes from preschool to sixth grade and have followed their basketball team ever since I moved. They are a private school and Clint Stepp, Clark Stepp, Garrison Collins, Tate Cox, and just about the whole team went there from preschool or 1st grade. They are definitely a feel-good story and their are only 8 people in the senior class.

I think that might be a Jefferson County phenomenom that might not hold true in other parts of the state. Not doubting it in Jefferson County, but in NKY I would be hard pressed to name an athlete (surely someone else can do it for me) that went from private to public in girls basketball, let alone say it is the norm. Rest of the sports I am not versed enough to make a informed call.

 

I also think that places like Oak Hill doesn't help the perception of private schools. Private schools that are obviously nothing but basketball factories with academics added in. Unfortunately, the ones doing it the right way will get lumped in.

 

But that is the same for publics. For privates, all publics are getting lumped in with "not working hard enough" and "just want the easy road to a championship" argument.

Well the most heated debate in NKY football was about a kid going from private to public. I read a number of threads each season on here about private to public switching in NKY football. I'll have to take your word for it concerning girls basketball (it doesn't seem to be doing any good though).

FYI, I don't think anyone is lumping Kentucky's private schools in with Oak Hill. Oak Hill is a school in name only, its more like a great AAU team with tutors.

I hope I'm not hitting a hornets' nest with a stick here, but there's something I have to know that I haven't seen discussed anywhere on the board yet: With all of the rancor out there right now toward private schools, both on this board and among high school sports fans at large, why is June Buchanan getting a pass?

 

Private football powers such as Trinity and St. X remain a sore spot for many, and there's plenty of carping about the seven straight girls basketball titles won by privates. Yet June Buchanan, which meets every definition of a private school, has been portrayed as a feel-good story and has been spared the venom usually aimed at private schools that succeed.

 

Let me be clear: I'm not saying Buchanan should or should not be a feel-good story. I'm not close enough to the situation to know one way or the other. I really just want to know why this looks to be an exception to the castigation of private schools. And I don't think you can have it both ways: If you categorically root against private schools, as many on this board do, you can't say, "yeah, except this one."

 

And yes, I'm well aware of the differences between Buchanan and the Trinitys or even the Lexington Christians of the world. I know how small this school is, and I know the basketball players and probably most or all of the students are locals. But this school doesn't look much difference in size and profile (school profile, not sports profile) from University Heights, and UHA was still universally disliked even after its run as an elite team ended.

 

I'm not trying to pick a fight here. I have no strong feelings toward Buchanan one way or the other, and I'm a long way from Pippa Passes. I'm just a high school sports fan who wants to better understand this. I've been thinking about posing my question for a week, and curiousity has finally gotten the better of me. Discuss.

 

Probably a couple of other things. Notice their web site, http://www.alc.edu/jbs/jbs.htm and you see that they don't even have a sport link. It isn't a priority. One of the stud players is the son of the college President, a President who has been tied to the school for more than 20 years, so it certainly isn't an athletics issue. And although there is always some rumbling when a school this size does well, most remember that the majority of this team has in fact played together since 4th or 5th grade. Much like Elliott County in this year's tournament, it is more about proof that if the kids stay as a unit, they have a better chance to succeed.

 

Also note that even if Proposal 2 from this year had been in effect, most say it would have had no effect on this team as those kids had always been there. Someone may be able to correct me on specific kids, but there certainly haven't been the usual rumblings about this school.

I think UHA took such a beating because their roster was littered with foreign exchange kids each year and kids seemed to transfer in a lot more than they transferred out. From what I have read, most of JB's players have attended the school since they were in elementary school.

 

If every private school played with kids who had been there for 5-8 years, I think you would hear fewer gripes.

 

Just Claude's opinion....

 

"3. Most or all of their big guns, as far as I know, have grown up in that school." sorry...posted by westsider

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not to ask a dumb question but who is "UHA" :confused: :confused: :confused:

 

As most of you should know T and X only go grades 9 - 12. So NO kid can go there before then. MOST kids (big guns) in the these programs have been a Catholic/Private school since kindergarten. MOST of our these "big guns" (before they were born) high school was picked out. I have been in the private school system since birth and 95% of the people I associate with are the same as me.

 

Off the subject but just a thought...if T/X (specifically) can get whomever they want to go to their school(s) ...why didn't/haven't we been able to get the Michael Bush's of football (and don't say...you got Brohm...that kid's destiny was planned from birth)..or any other super great basketball star from the Louisville area???

^^ University Heights Academy.

"3. Most or all of their big guns, as far as I know, have grown up in that school." sorry...posted by westsider

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not to ask a dumb question but who is "UHA" :confused: :confused: :confused:

 

As most of you should know T and X only go grades 9 - 12. So NO kid can go there before then. MOST kids (big guns) in the these programs have been a Catholic/Private school since kindergarten. MOST of our these "big guns" (before they were born) high school was picked out. I have been in the private school system since birth and 95% of the people I associate with are the same as me.

 

Off the subject but just a thought...if T/X (specifically) can get whomever they want to go to their school(s) ...why didn't/haven't we been able to get the Michael Bush's of football (and don't say...you got Brohm...that kid's destiny was planned from birth)..or any other super great basketball star from the Louisville area???

How about the McBrooms of the world, what about that sophmore linebacker they had this season. Please don't claim that Trinity and X only get kids that have grown up in Catholic schools. By the very definition of the private institution, they can get whoever is willing and able to attend their institutions.

How about the McBrooms of the world, what about that sophmore linebacker they had this season. Please don't claim that Trinity and X only get kids that have grown up in Catholic schools. By the very definition of the private institution, they can get whoever is willing and able to attend their institutions.

 

 

Sophmore linebacker?

 

What part of "MOST" didn't you read in my post??

Sophmore linebacker?

 

What part of "MOST" didn't you read in my post??

Maybe I didn't phrase my reply correctly. Trinity has had many impact athletes through their history that weren't brought up through catholic school. Those two examples were just a couple that immediately popped into my head. I agree that most, being a relative term, have grown up in the catholic school system. However, I don't think that 95% in an accurate number. I also don't think that you can minimize the impact that these non catholic players have had on Trinity's football sucess.

Maybe I didn't phrase my reply correctly. Trinity has had many impact athletes through their history that weren't brought up through catholic school. Those two examples were just a couple that immediately popped into my head. I agree that most, being a relative term, have grown up in the catholic school system. However, I don't think that 95% in an accurate number. I also don't think that you can minimize the impact that these non catholic players have had on Trinity's football sucess.

 

 

I have actually been around T since late 70's. And I will stick to my 95%!

It has been shown over and over that an overwealming majority of the students that change after 8th grade go from private schools to public.

 

 

That may be the case in Louisville but it's not the norm in the rural parts of the state, where there may only be one private school per 100 miles.

How about the McBrooms of the world, what about that sophmore linebacker they had this season. Please don't claim that Trinity and X only get kids that have grown up in Catholic schools. By the very definition of the private institution, they can get whoever is willing and able to attend their institutions.

First, there was only one McBroom. He really wasn't any bigger part of the Trinity offense than Mudd or Riddle, etc. Check the stats and you will see I'm correct (in fact I think Mudd out-gained McBroom in the classic 59-56 game). The second point about McBroom that you probably don't know is that his parents liked the idea of Trinity to give their son a little more structure than was available elsewhere. One of Coach Cov's greatest coaching jobs while at Trinity was the one he did academically with Tay. IMO, his education would have ended at high school without his experience at Trinity. The sophmore linebacker is a similar case of a family that was disappointed in certain aspects of the JCPS system. They decided to make a change and the kid is doing great. I notice you didn't mention the Trinity linebacker that transferred to Manual at the same time. He was allowed to play right away and became a starter I believe. FYI, the kid that transferred into Trinity didn't start until an injury to the starter in a playoff game. Then again how about Trinity's starting linebacker from 05' that transferred to a public school across the river (he moved to Indiana after leaving Trinity) and became the team's leading tackler?

What is the big deal as to an alleged exodus of 8th grade students from public to privte or vice-versa? People vote with their feet in these cases. If a family feels that a public school is better for their student, so be it. If a family wants to pay several thousand dollars per year to have their student attend a private, so be it. If a school does not want to lose students to a competing school, improve! Provide an atmosphere of top academics and athletics in a safe environment and students will flow into your school.

First, there was only one McBroom. He really wasn't any bigger part of the Trinity offense than Mudd or Riddle, etc. Check the stats and you will see I'm correct (in fact I think Mudd out-gained McBroom in the classic 59-56 game). The second point about McBroom that you probably don't know is that his parents liked the idea of Trinity to give their son a little more structure than was available elsewhere. One of Coach Cov's greatest coaching jobs while at Trinity was the one he did academically with Tay. IMO, his education would have ended at high school without his experience at Trinity. The sophmore linebacker is a similar case of a family that was disappointed in certain aspects of the JCPS system. They decided to make a change and the kid is doing great. I notice you didn't mention the Trinity linebacker that transferred to Manual at the same time. He was allowed to play right away and became a starter I believe. FYI, the kid that transferred into Trinity didn't start until an injury to the starter in a playoff game. Then again how about Trinity's starting linebacker from 05' that transferred to a public school across the river (he moved to Indiana after leaving Trinity) and became the team's leading tackler?

Your missing my point. It is all fine that Trinity gives these kids a good experience. However, my point is that there are plenty of kids that attend, and play football for, Trinity High School that did not grow up in the Catholic School System and have a huge impact on the field. To claim that these players have little impact is ridiculous. On the other note, I think Mcbroom had 320 yds recieving in that game. I know there was only one Mcbroom. I was replying to the claim that Trinity doesn't get huge impact players like Bush. My point is that I have never seen a Trinity team play that didn't have an impact player that had not grown up in the Catholic school system.

Your missing my point. It is all fine that Trinity gives these kids a good experience. However, my point is that there are plenty of kids that attend, and play football for, Trinity High School that did not grow up in the Catholic School System and have a huge impact on the field. To claim that these players have little impact is ridiculous. On the other note, I think Mcbroom had 320 yds recieving in that game. I know there was only one Mcbroom. I was replying to the claim that Trinity doesn't get huge impact players like Bush. My point is that I have never seen a Trinity team play that didn't have an impact player that had not grown up in the Catholic school system.

 

 

I am not missing your point. I am saying that the largest part of T's "impact players" over the years are Catholic Grade School products. If you can name me five kids, year in and year out that played at T that were "impact players" over the past 20 years that were not from the CGSS...I will completely agree with you.