And just why would that be? I guess that just points up some poeple's philosophy," if you can't beat them, try to bar them. Wake up and compete.

 

Is that not the philosphy behind splitting Kentucky High School Basketball into classes? The little schools can't compete with the large schools? What makes anybody think that the smaller public school could ever compete with the smaller private schools.

Is that not the philosphy behind splitting Kentucky High School Basketball into classes? The little schools can't compete with the large schools? What makes anybody think that the smaller public school could ever compete with the smaller private schools.[/QUOTE]

 

Danville, Mayfield, Beechwood, Russell, etc. football come to mind???? Shall I go on in basketball, baseball, etc.??

How about the girls last 7 state champions being from a private school?? I would venture to say that the girls side is more lopsided on the public/private side and the boys is completely lopsided on the public/urban (as some other bgp poster already pointed out). great talent is hard to come by and even tougher when lured to the big schools for better jobs for parents and more talent around them, Scott Co. That is a prime example of a large market for job (ie Toyota) and a large school, large resource base, and ultimately a large talent pool. Where are they? Rupp, imagine that. Imagine that the smallest school in the 11th region did not make it to the tournament? hmmm??

Is that not the philosphy behind splitting Kentucky High School Basketball into classes? The little schools can't compete with the large schools? What makes anybody think that the smaller public school could ever compete with the smaller private schools.

And why is that? If you can't compete just legistate away the competition? How about figuring out why the small privates are better and do what they do. And don't begin to feed me the recruiting bit. maybe they have better feeder systems where really qualified and dedicated parents do a great job teaching grade schoolers the basics. IMO too many small, and large, public schools feel their kids are entitled to good coaches at the lower level and don't put in the time to ensure the kids get them by volunteering.

And don't begin to feed me the recruiting bit. maybe they have better feeder systems where really qualified and dedicated parents do a great job teaching grade schoolers the basics.

 

At one time, University Heights' "feeder system" was called the planet Earth.

 

Count me among those that think private schools should be grouped with the largest schools or put into a classification of their own.

How about the girls last 7 state champions being from a private school?? I would venture to say that the girls side is more lopsided on the public/private side and the boys is completely lopsided on the public/urban (as some other bgp poster already pointed out). great talent is hard to come by and even tougher when lured to the big schools for better jobs for parents and more talent around them, Scott Co. That is a prime example of a large market for job (ie Toyota) and a large school, large resource base, and ultimately a large talent pool. Where are they? Rupp, imagine that.

I was under the impression that this Scott County team was homegrown ... what's the word?

Never! The Sweety 16 is what makes the Kentucky High School tournament more exciting and more unpredicatble than any other state tournament across this nation. People come all over just to watch the action. The Region system in place is great and I see no reason to change.

 

Reasons not to class.

 

1.) The Sweet 16 is so profitbale.

2.) Makes for more exciting basketball.

3.) Gives room for cinderellas and underdogs to win. Class system is too predictable and upsets really are not upsets if teams are in the same class.

4.) Keeps us from having repeat champions. In most states the same schools win or compete for their classes if not every year, close to it.

5.) Stays with tradition, something forgotten in this day and age of sports. Everyone is always wanting change.

6.) Actually makes the Regional tournaments mean something and keeps them more competitive.

7.) Narrows number of teams who make it, really making playing at Rupp more prestigious.

 

 

I could go on, but I think I have proved my point.

Absolutely Not!

 

Kentucky High School Basketball is what it is because of this format. If we would have had classes the great legendary battles like the Carr Creek vs. Ashland games would not still be talked about 70 years later or teams like Paintsville winning it all. Keep it the way it is.

 

I think over the course of time talent migrates. The mountains have had years when it was extremely competitive on the state scene, even with some of the small schools. The larger schools in the more populated areas are having a run right now. I congratulate their hardwork, but we shouldn't use it as an excuse to change the greatest show in high school sports.

Come on Golden Eagle fan. Do you really think that this is the greatest show in high school sports. What if the state football tournament in Texas is a bigger show, or the hockey tournament in Maine? I can promise you that KY high school sweet 16 is not the greatest show on earth. In fact people will go to any state tournament because it is the state tournament and want to see their respective school win, it is held at rupp, and that is someones chance to go to rupp, or for any other various reasons.

And you were right about one point. Talent does migrate right from the small schools to the big ones. Here is a point. I would venture to say that before the ball is ever tipped off today that a big school will walk to saturday morning and a small school will too simply because they are matched up that way this year by luck of the draw. It should make for interesting 1 and 2nd round games but this David will get killed by Goliath on Sat morning or night. However it falls.

Absolutely Not!

 

Kentucky High School Basketball is what it is because of this format. If we would have had classes the great legendary battles like the Carr Creek vs. Ashland games would not still be talked about 70 years later or teams like Paintsville winning it all. Keep it the way it is.

 

I think over the course of time talent migrates. The mountains have had years when it was extremely competitive on the state scene, even with some of the small schools. The larger schools in the more populated areas are having a run right now. I congratulate their hardwork, but we shouldn't use it as an excuse to change the greatest show in high school sports.

 

This actually came about because of classification. At that time, Kentucky had Class A and Class B. The districts were divided into classes and so were the regions. When they got to the state tournament, half of the teams were "A" and half were "B." The A tournament played out with Ashland winning and the B played out with Carr Creek winning. The two met in the finals, which pitted A vs. B for five years or so in the late-20s, early-30s. So while I understand your point and agree completely, you used a wrong example.

 

A better example might have been Cuba beating Manual in 1952.

Come on Golden Eagle fan. Do you really think that this is the greatest show in high school sports. What if the state football tournament in Texas is a bigger show, or the hockey tournament in Maine? I can promise you that KY high school sweet 16 is not the greatest show on earth. In fact people will go to any state tournament because it is the state tournament and want to see their respective school win, it is held at rupp, and that is someones chance to go to rupp, or for any other various reasons.

And you were right about one point. Talent does migrate right from the small schools to the big ones. Here is a point. I would venture to say that before the ball is ever tipped off today that a big school will walk to saturday morning and a small school will too simply because they are matched up that way this year by luck of the draw. It should make for interesting 1 and 2nd round games but this David will get killed by Goliath on Sat morning or night. However it falls.

 

Definately the best in any high school arena. I'm pretty sure that Kentucky is the only state that still uses the single champion format.

I guess the other 49 states got it all wrong then. Oh and they probably are not benefiting financially from doing it their way either.

This actually came about because of classification. At that time, Kentucky had Class A and Class B. The districts were divided into classes and so were the regions. When they got to the state tournament, half of the teams were "A" and half were "B." The A tournament played out with Ashland winning and the B played out with Carr Creek winning. The two met in the finals, which pitted A vs. B for five years or so in the late-20s, early-30s. So while I understand your point and agree completely, you used a wrong example.

 

A better example might have been Cuba beating Manual in 1952.

 

Your history lesson may be accurate, but the point was that if we had classifications as some have proposed many historical match-ups would have never taken place.

 

The fact is that only Ashland is remembered as the state champs that year. Not a class A and B champions.

Its all paper anyway. A record book is paper, money is paper, and the only thing that matters is the 12 that won the class A, the 12 that won the class AA, and so on. When I played I never looked at the bigger classes and thought that they were better than us and smaller vice versa. We were champions and that is all that mattered.

Your history lesson may be accurate, but the point was that if we had classifications as some have proposed many historical match-ups would have never taken place.

 

The fact is that only Ashland is remembered as the state champs that year. Not a class A and B champions.

 

So you're saying no one remembers that Carr Creek team? I didn't say they were state champions, I just said they were winners of the B-Tournament (bracket).

 

I agree with you on the classification issue. The time might be right in the future, but I don't think now is the time.