Because I am telling you that is not occurring more and more than you realize and I see the fallout on a daily basis with these kids. And I foresee a growing huge problem that we will have in this society in 15-20 years.

Exactly what's the problem? The cussing? The disrespect? The satire? That will exist as long as two or more humans interact. I'm sorry to say, this will not go away. It's existed as long as there have been humans. The length of time depends upon whether you subscribe to the scientific theory of evolution or theological beginning of mankind.

 

As we didn't address the issues of child obesity and poor nutrition in the 80's and 90's because it was a "parental" issue and now we are dealing with the fallout today. More and more strains on the health care and insurance industry because lack of parental guidance.

Actually, the greater strain on health care and insurance is lack of adult control of themselves.

 

I have said that it is the parents/grandparents fault. But if the kid is not seeing at home, yelling and screaming, where are they learning it? Not at school? But in their music, their television and their movies.

Come on, Ladies. The kid doesn't have to see it on TV, etc., to exhibit it. All that has to happen is that parents/grandparents allow it. They don't impose consequences upon that type of behavior. That's the issue.

 

Tobacco industry has been held responsible for the problems that their product has created. Why can't other industry's do the same?

 

We're not talking about physiological danger watching South Park or any other show. And, there are regulations and ratings systems in place to restrict the placement of such programming, just as there are warning labels on tobacco, and food label requirements in those industries.

 

It comes down to individual responsibility, LBBC. The safeguards are there. You can't blame the industry if individuals do not utilize them, or ignore them.

LBBC - I think your way of thinking does more harm than good. Thinking that our children will not be exposed to things we don't approve of, is like being an ostrich in the sand. Quicksand! Obsessively repressing children often comes back to bite the parents later on. A child who feels they've been denied the normal experiences of youth, might -- when inevitably exposed to them -- rebel, or worse.

 

Parents like yourself don't want to believe their children are more savvy today. Oh, but they are! Parents can't prevent their children from being exposed to the darker side of life. They must prepare them for it. Teach them how to react to it. And be an example of what (in their view) is right and virtuous.

LBBC - I think your way of thinking does more harm than good. Thinking that our children will not be exposed to things we don't approve of, is like being an ostrich in the sand. Quicksand! Obsessively repressing children often comes back to bite the parents later on. A child who feels they've been denied the normal experiences of youth, might -- when inevitably exposed to them -- rebel, or worse.

 

Parents like yourself don't want to believe their children are more savvy today. Oh, but they are! Parents can't prevent their children from being exposed to the darker side of life. They must prepare them for it. Teach them how to react to it. And be an example of what (in their view) is right and virtuous.

Define savvy, so that I know we are talking about the same things.

 

I see savvy as knowing how to recognize danger and stay away from it. I don't see that occurring today.

 

As I composed this, I asked my class if they thought they and their friends were good at recognizing trouble and staying away from it. Every single student said NO. Emphactic NO! That is their opinion of themselves and not me. I just happen to agree with them.

 

I disagree. My kids participate in athletics and are exposed to a lot of things during their time there. They go to a public school and are exposed to a lot of things during that time. They are involved in non-Christian activities and are exposed to a lot of things there. Unfortunately, they have family members that have exposed them to some darker realities of life and we hope they are learning from that family member's mistakes.

 

I am trying to teach them to use a Christian perspective to view things.

Define savvy, so that I know we are talking about the same things.

 

I see savvy as knowing how to recognize danger and stay away from it. I don't see that occurring today.

 

As I composed this, I asked my class if they thought they and their friends were good at recognizing trouble and staying away from it. Every single student said NO. Emphactic NO! That is their opinion of themselves and not me. I just happen to agree with them.

 

I disagree. My kids participate in athletics and are exposed to a lot of things during their time there. They go to a public school and are exposed to a lot of things during that time. They are involved in non-Christian activities and are exposed to a lot of things there. Unfortunately, they have family members that have exposed them to some darker realities of life and we hope they are learning from that family member's mistakes.

 

I am trying to teach them to use a Christian perspective to view things.

 

 

Ladies, not one thing you mention involves TV or music or movies. You've actually defined the whole issue in your response. It's family influence. It's the choices parents make for their kids. It's the way the family teaches their kids to deal with what they encounter.

 

And, there are kids who can't recognize trouble, can't avoid it. But, aren't there more who can and do?

Exactly what's the problem? The cussing? The disrespect? The satire? That will exist as long as two or more humans interact. I'm sorry to say, this will not go away. It's existed as long as there have been humans. The length of time depends upon whether you subscribe to the scientific theory of evolution or theological beginning of mankind.

 

Actually, the greater strain on health care and insurance is lack of adult control of themselves.

 

Come on, Ladies. The kid doesn't have to see it on TV, etc., to exhibit it. All that has to happen is that parents/grandparents allow it. They don't impose consequences upon that type of behavior. That's the issue.

 

 

 

We're not talking about physiological danger watching South Park or any other show. And, there are regulations and ratings systems in place to restrict the placement of such programming, just as there are warning labels on tobacco, and food label requirements in those industries.

 

It comes down to individual responsibility, LBBC. The safeguards are there. You can't blame the industry if individuals do not utilize them, or ignore them.

So businesses have no responsibility on the quality of product they place on the market?

 

Disrespect is the issue. I will give you an example that you WILL LOVE.

One of my favorite teachers of all time recently retired and began working at Bishop Brossart. She raves on the school. Discipline issues are minimal at worse and nonexistent at best. She actually gets to teach.

 

YES ABSOLUTELY THAT IS A COMMENDMENT TO THE PARENTS.

 

But reality is that we are raising a large percentage of the next generation that are not like that.

 

The problem is manifested in public schools now. I am responsible for that kid learning and could lose my job if he/she doesn't. Doesn't matter if he wants to learn or not. That is NOT part of the equation according to the state department. I HAVE to teach him and he has to learn. It doesn't matter whether parents discipline him at home or are worried about his grades or not.

 

That is going to translate right out to his view of society when he becomes an adult. His disrespect for bosses, adults, spouses, etc, etc will manifest into huge problems that this society WILL, WILL, WILL have to deal with.

 

Just as I CANNOT dismiss them as lack of good parenting, we will not be able to dismiss them when as they manifest themselves in 10-20 years.

Ladies, not one thing you mention involves TV or music or movies. You've actually defined the whole issue in your response. It's family influence. It's the choices parents make for their kids. It's the way the family teaches their kids to deal with what they encounter.

 

And, there are kids who can't recognize trouble, can't avoid it. But, aren't there more who can and do?

Please read the response above as I think it addresses your points.

 

In education we have a view that some kids will learn despite us. Meaning the top kids from caring families are going to be great students no matter what we do.

 

It is the other kids that we have to develop programs to teach. That might be part of our differences here as I am trained to worry and think about the others. And that is reinforced by my CHristian mindset. While our society usually takes a "who cares" mentality about that group.

 

Actually, the greater strain on health care and insurance is lack of adult control of themselves.

 

 

 

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Another thread topic but I think those traits are directly from childhood. I am a diabetic. My mother let me eat whatever and whenever. I was 8 and eating two Big Macs, large order fry and large chocolate shake. I have forever battled poor eating habits and lack of will in denying myself those pleasures that have caused me to be on 3 diabetic medicines per day and a shot of insulin at night. That is 100% my fault but is founded in poor eating habits I learned as a child.

 

Same with behavior. The foundation they are getting and the lack of control by the music industry, television industry, movie industry COUPLED with poor parenting is setting them up for future problems that our society will have to face.

That might be part of our differences here as I am trained to worry and think about the others. And that is reinforced by my CHristian mindset. While our society usually takes a "who cares" mentality about that group.

Excuse me, I do hope I'm somehow misreading your intent here. But absolutely no training is required to worry and think about others, and to foolishly suggest that you believe yourself to be the only one in this conversation capable of doing so, is frankly, quiite disturbing. :eek: Again, I hope that this was not what you were suggesting!

So businesses have no responsibility on the quality of product they place on the market?

 

Disrespect is the issue. I will give you an example that you WILL LOVE.

One of my favorite teachers of all time recently retired and began working at Bishop Brossart. She raves on the school. Discipline issues are minimal at worse and nonexistent at best. She actually gets to teach.

 

YES ABSOLUTELY THAT IS A COMMENDMENT TO THE PARENTS.

 

But reality is that we are raising a large percentage of the next generation that are not like that.

Hint....Kids in private schools watch South Park too! Hint #2...there are kids who are disrespectful in private schools too. Hint #3...There are kids in private schools who face awful homelifes, danger and hardships too.

The problem is manifested in public schools now. I am responsible for that kid learning and could lose my job if he/she doesn't. Doesn't matter if he wants to learn or not. That is NOT part of the equation according to the state department. I HAVE to teach him and he has to learn. It doesn't matter whether parents discipline him at home or are worried about his grades or not.

Thank your legislators. Don't blame TV.

 

That is going to translate right out to his view of society when he becomes an adult. His disrespect for bosses, adults, spouses, etc, etc will manifest into huge problems that this society WILL, WILL, WILL have to deal with.

 

Just as I CANNOT dismiss them as lack of good parenting, we will not be able to dismiss them when as they manifest themselves in 10-20 years.

 

Ladies, you're trying to place blame on a problem which is much bigger than any one influence. We could do away with TV's, music, movies and everything. The same problems would exist if there were no other changes made in society.

Another thread topic but I think those traits are directly from childhood. I am a diabetic. My mother let me eat whatever and whenever. I was 8 and eating two Big Macs, large order fry and large chocolate shake. I have forever battled poor eating habits and lack of will in denying myself those pleasures that have caused me to be on 3 diabetic medicines per day and a shot of insulin at night. That is 100% my fault but is founded in poor eating habits I learned as a child.

 

Same with behavior. The foundation they are getting and the lack of control by the music industry, television industry, movie industry COUPLED with poor parenting is setting them up for future problems that our society will have to face.

 

C'mon, Ladies...be fair. Not all kids who eat whatever they want develop diabetes. You were predisposed, and the lack of will is something you could change, and could have changed, at any point.

Define savvy, so that I know we are talking about the same things.

 

I see savvy as knowing how to recognize danger and stay away from it. I don't see that occurring today.

 

I am trying to teach them to use a Christian perspective to view things.

To take a quote from Field of Dreams, "No, I think you took two 50's and moved right on into the 70's!"

 

You can't teach kids to have a Christian perspective on things by pretending that those things don't even exist.

 

As for "savvy", I was viewing it as knowledge of the world as it truly is -- both good and bad. They may not be capable of sorting it out completely (again, the parents' duty); but they most assuredly know that it's there.

Ladies, you're trying to place blame on a problem which is much bigger than any one influence. We could do away with TV's, music, movies and everything. The same problems would exist if there were no other changes made in society.

 

This comment mad me think of the Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn :lol: .

Excuse me, I do hope I'm somehow misreading your intent here. But absolutely no training is required to worry and think about others, and to foolishly suggest that you believe yourself to be the only one in this conversation capable of doing so, is frankly, quiite disturbing. :eek: Again, I hope that this was not what you were suggesting!

I apologize if my intent was misread. I do not mean that. But in dealing with these crowd from 8:00 AM to 3:30 PM every single day for 178 days a year, hearing their stories, experiencing their valleys in life, I come to hold a special place for them. I meant to say that I am probably more aware of their situation than most. And that comes from the life experiences of 18 years of teaching and the last 3 years of daily dealing with these students.

 

I must admit that even in the last 3 years, my eyes have been opened to things I didn't realize in my first 15 years of teaching because I am dealing with a different clientele now that I get to know a lot better than I did before.

 

I do think, though that while teachers don't hold a patent on worrying about others, our PD trainings that you hear about are usually addressed to that end. About 90% of what we do is developing plans and looking at these types of students.

 

Again, I hold both you and RM in EXTREMELY HIGH REGARD and I sincerely apologize if I offended you or her.

Hint....Kids in private schools watch South Park too! Hint #2...there are kids who are disrespectful in private schools too. Hint #3...There are kids in private schools who face awful homelifes, danger and hardships too.

Thank your legislators. Don't blame TV.

 

 

 

Ladies, you're trying to place blame on a problem which is much bigger than any one influence. We could do away with TV's, music, movies and everything. The same problems would exist if there were no other changes made in society.

My point is NOT TO COMPLAIN about it but to say this is a problem that we are going to face in this society in 5-10-15 years that we are presently facing in education.

 

Using my health situation as an analogy, just giving up KingDons won't cure my diabetes. Sure will help my health though.

To take a quote from Field of Dreams, "No, I think you took two 50's and moved right on into the 70's!"

 

You can't teach kids to have a Christian perspective on things by pretending that those things don't even exist.

 

As for "savvy", I was viewing it as knowledge of the world as it truly is -- both good and bad. They may not be capable of sorting it out completely (again, the parents' duty); but they most assuredly know that it's there.

The bolded has been my point from the beginning. These things are marketed and aimed at these kids and they are not capable of sorting them out.

 

At first it was said that South Park was on late at night and not aimed at kids. Last two nights it has been on at 9:00 PM. THat is not late at night. It is a cartoon. Kids see animation on the television, they think hey this is a cartoon.

 

And btw, that is a good quote.