When do we start holding kids accountable for their own actions, LBBC? When do we stop blaming TV, movies, music for the way kids act, and start holding them accountable unto themselves?

I agree Rockmom. We need to make kids accountable for their actions. Just let me know the path we can take without changing laws and consequences. It seems that every generation in the history of our society allows their to be less and less consequences for its youth. I highly doubt that there would ever be a kid f wording a teacher if teachers couls still use the board.

When do we start holding kids accountable for their own actions, LBBC? When do we stop blaming TV, movies, music for the way kids act, and start holding them accountable unto themselves?

 

They get held accountable when they step outside the parental umbrella.

They get held accountable when they step outside the parental umbrella.

 

For some that is 5th grade. Unfortunately.

I agree Rockmom. We need to make kids accountable for their actions. Just let me know the path we can take without changing laws and consequences. It seems that every generation in the history of our society allows their to be less and less consequences for its youth. I highly doubt that there would ever be a kid f wording a teacher if teachers couls still use the board.

 

Aren't there diciplinary procedures outlined in a handbook? If so, then I feel they should be followed to the letter. I'll admit relative ignorance with respect to such matters in the public school systems. But, there has to be a point where the line is drawn and there's no turning back. If there's not then the whole disciplinary system is a joke, IMO. There can be no discipline without enforcable and irrevocable consequences.

 

As to kids using the excuse that they "saw it on TV" to justify their actions, I think that's a cop out on the kids part. I have a hard time believing that because a kid saw a SouthPark episode where someone was being disrespectful and cussing, that they think that justifies such behavior in themselves. I submit that kids know the norms. Even if they aren't raised in an environment that conforms to the norms, they know that it's not socially acceptable to act like that.

Aren't there diciplinary procedures outlined in a handbook? If so, then I feel they should be followed to the letter. I'll admit relative ignorance with respect to such matters in the public school systems. But, there has to be a point where the line is drawn and there's no turning back. If there's not then the whole disciplinary system is a joke, IMO. There can be no discipline without enforcable and irrevocable consequences.

 

As to kids using the excuse that they "saw it on TV" to justify their actions, I think that's a cop out on the kids part. I have a hard time believing that because a kid saw a SouthPark episode where someone was being disrespectful and cussing, that they think that justifies such behavior in themselves. I submit that kids know the norms. Even if they aren't raised in an environment that conforms to the norms, they know that it's not socially acceptable to act like that.

I agree, but look at the procedures.

Detention-dont show up-friday school-dont show up-suspension "time off school"-continues, eventually taken out of school to alternative school where they are no longer under the thumb of the person who they were causing trouble. Let's just say that I don't see any of these as a punishment. They may eventually get charged, where if they put on a good show, they will be given deferment. Once again, no punishment. There is no physical, mental, or social reprocussions. When they get out of school will be where they recieve their first type of reprocussions for these actions. If a private school has a problem that persist, they just kick the kid out and send them to a public school. We are entirely too worried about hurting a child's feelings in today's society, and not nearly worried enough about preparing children for life.

Is it the fault of the bar that serves the patron even after they are drunk and that drunk leaves and kills someone in an accident? In our society that business has SOME responsibility. Not FULL, but SOME.

Do we go back to prohibition? I don't like a lot of the stuff on South Park either. A lot of times, I turn the channel. But I'm not willing to blame the behavior of kids on that show.

 

As for discipline: In the old days a kid knew that, if he came home and said he got paddled, he was going to get paddled again! Today, a kid knows that if he comes home and says he got paddled, his parents will be on the phone to the lawyer.

Aren't there diciplinary procedures outlined in a handbook? If so, then I feel they should be followed to the letter. I'll admit relative ignorance with respect to such matters in the public school systems. But, there has to be a point where the line is drawn and there's no turning back. If there's not then the whole disciplinary system is a joke, IMO. There can be no discipline without enforcable and irrevocable consequences.

 

As to kids using the excuse that they "saw it on TV" to justify their actions, I think that's a cop out on the kids part. I have a hard time believing that because a kid saw a SouthPark episode where someone was being disrespectful and cussing, that they think that justifies such behavior in themselves. I submit that kids know the norms. Even if they aren't raised in an environment that conforms to the norms, they know that it's not socially acceptable to act like that.

When they see JackButt the Movie, when they see rap and hip hop stars that are millionaires for acting that way, when they see it on television and movies, when they see all the Bengals act as they do, why would they think it is not socially acceptable. Because one bald overweight teacher says that it isn't?

I agree, but look at the procedures.

Detention-dont show up-friday school-dont show up-suspension "time off school"-continues, eventually taken out of school to alternative school where they are no longer under the thumb of the person who they were causing trouble. Let's just say that I don't see any of these as a punishment. They may eventually get charged, where if they put on a good show, they will be given deferment. Once again, no punishment. There is no physical, mental, or social reprocussions. When they get out of school will be where they recieve their first type of reprocussions for these actions. If a private school has a problem that persist, they just kick the kid out and send them to a public school. We are entirely too worried about hurting a child's feelings in today's society, and not nearly worried enough about preparing children for life.

 

+1 Those are only punishments if the parents care. I know if I had been assigned detention the least of my worries came from the 30 minutes after class.

Is it the fault of the bar that serves the patron even after they are drunk and that drunk leaves and kills someone in an accident? In our society that business has SOME responsibility. Not FULL, but SOME.

 

That is all I am saying. Those shows, music, movies have SOME. Not FULL, not MOST, but some.

 

 

And if a kid comes home and cusses and tells his parents he heard it at school, should the school be held responsible?

Do we go back to prohibition? I don't like a lot of the stuff on South Park either. A lot of times, I turn the channel. But I'm not willing to blame the behavior of kids on that show.

 

As for discipline: In the old days a kid knew that, if he came home and said he got paddled, he was going to get paddled again! Today, a kid knows that if he comes home and says he got paddled, his parents will be on the phone to the lawyer.

I agree with what you are saying but what do we do about it. What is the solution when we know there are parents who ARE NOT doing their responsibility? Write those kids off? I know you are not saying that but that is what I am asking.

 

YES, ABSOLUTELY it is the parent's responsibility. But for the times that it is not happening, what should we do?

 

Remember when you misbehaved on a bus and you were still 5 miles from your home and you got kicked off the bus right there? And you walked the 5 miles home.

And if a kid comes home and cusses and tells his parents he heard it at school, should the school be held responsible?

If it is coming from me the teacher, yes I am held responsible.

 

As for other areas besides cussing, yes we are. A kid assaults another kid and we are held responsible if it is a continual thing. A kid harrassing another kid and yes we are held responsible. A kid comes here and decides they are going to sleep the whole time and not learn and yes we are held responsible for that kid not learning.

I agree, but look at the procedures.

Detention-dont show up-friday school-dont show up-suspension "time off school"-continues, eventually taken out of school to alternative school where they are no longer under the thumb of the person who they were causing trouble. Let's just say that I don't see any of these as a punishment. They may eventually get charged, where if they put on a good show, they will be given deferment. Once again, no punishment. There is no physical, mental, or social reprocussions. When they get out of school will be where they recieve their first type of reprocussions for these actions. If a private school has a problem that persist, they just kick the kid out and send them to a public school. We are entirely too worried about hurting a child's feelings in today's society, and not nearly worried enough about preparing children for life.

Amen from the choir.

I know if I had been assigned detention the least of my worries came from the 30 minutes after class.

Amen to that. I never wanted detention, but if I got it, I didn't really want to leave.:lol:

LBBC, it seems to me like you should be throwing your advocacy behind more stringent disciplinary procedures rather than censorship.

 

For those who aren't taught or punished at home, it doesn't matter where or who they hear or learn things from if they are not taught at home. It could come from South Park, the neighbor, an older kid down the street, or anywhere.

Remember when you misbehaved on a bus and you were still 5 miles from your home and you got kicked off the bus right there? And you walked the 5 miles home.

Well, I can honestly say that one never happened to me personally.