8 hours ago, Tranquility Base said:

Does the winner still have to name drop god?  Or is god truly on the losers side as well?

Yes.

9 hours ago, Tranquility Base said:

Does the winner still have to name drop god?  Or is god truly on the losers side as well?

Bob Dylan song?

14 hours ago, nkypete said:

Bob Dylan song?

"Well, the rifleman's stalking the sick and the lame
Preacher man seeks the same, who'll get there first is uncertain"

A whole lot of people are praying for the Cardinals right now.

Unfortunately, they beat the Reds 6-0 this afternoon and are leading the Reds 9-0 in the nightcap of the doubleheader.

On 4/26/2025 at 7:56 PM, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:

Some other Cardinals who's names mentioned who I don't see as realistic candidates (I've mentioned a few previously):

Cardinal Jean-Marc Aveline (France, age 66) - Way too much like Pope Francis.

Cardinal Pablo Virgilio David (Philippines, age 66) - Way too much like Pope Francis.

Cardinal Mario Grech (Malta, age 68) - Way too much like Pope Francis.

Cardinal Jean-Claude Hollerich (Luxembourg, age 66) - Probably the most liberal Cardinal in the entire College of Cardinals. If you can take a liberal stance on anything in the church, he takes it. He wants broad-reaching reform in the Church that will enact change to virtually every avenue of Catholicism.

Cardinal Tarcisio Isao Kikuchi (Japan, age 66) - Way too much like Pope Francis. Also, the Catholic Church in Japan is shrinking to an embarrassingly small level - there are more Catholics in the Archdiocese of Cincinnati than there are in the entire country of Japan. Kikuchi's Cardinalship has seen his flock of faithful do nothing but shrink, and that's the opposite of what the Church is looking for.

Cardinal Gérald Lacroix (Canada, age 67) - Was named in a class action lawsuit against the Archdiocese of Quebec for allegedly touched a 17 year old female in the 1980s. The accuser never was named, and Lacroix vehemently denied allegations. He went so far as to hire multiple independent investigators to investigate the accusations. None of the investigations were able to come up with any information that could confirm or deny that they allegations took place. Even if Lacroix is 100% innocent of everything, I just don't see the Cardinals - in light of how wide-reaching the clergy abuse scandal was, and how fresh it all is in people's minds - would elect someone who was accused and has no way to fully disprove the accusations to be the ONE GUY in charge of the whole Catholic Church.

Cardinal Reinhard Marx (Germany, age 71) - Has openly questioned much of Catholic doctrine. He is leading a faction of the Catholic Church in Germany that is quite honestly taking steps in hard opposition to a lottttt of the Vatican's teachings. I could honestly see the entirety of that (very large) group of German Catholics going into complete schism with the Vatican before too long.

Cardinal Vincent Nichols (United Kingdom, age 79) - Too old. Plus the Catholic Church is shrinking into non-existence in most of the UK, and especially in England, where Cardinal Nichols is stationed.

Cardinal Marc Ouellet (Canada, age 80) - Too old.

Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn (Austria, age 80) - Too old.

Cardinal Angelo Scola (Italy, age 83) - Too old.

Cardinal Joseph Tobin (United States, age 72) - From the United States. Very down to earth and approachable with very liberal social views. Also one of Pope Francis' personal friends, which most seem to see as a negative in terms of electability due to the fact that the general consensus is that Cardinals will be looking to elect someone who is somewhat different from the previous Pope.

Thanks CWB! You have a very comprehensive list, which obviously took a lot of research. One cardinal that I would add is Cardinal William Eijk from the Netherlands. IMHO, I think he has the 2nd best chance among the conservative cardinals. I think Cardinal Erdo probably has the best chance of the conservative cardinals due to the relationships he has in Europe as well as the relationships he has built in Africa. Cardinal Eijk has a pretty cool story. He completed initial medical studies in 1978 at the University of Amsterdam and immediately entered the major seminary while focusing on medical ethics at the University of Leiden and working as a physician of internal medicine. In 1985, he was ordained a priest and, while serving as a chaplain, obtained a doctorate in medicine, with a thesis that responded to Dutch euthanasia practices. I love that he is a medical Doctor who is able to use science and reason when discussing the faith.

We have black smoke in Vatican City. 

1 hour ago, theguru said:

We have black smoke in Vatican City. 

There's one vote in the first day of the Conclave, and there will be 4 votes per day in every subsequent day.

1 minute ago, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:

There's one vote in the first day of the Conclave, and there will be 4 votes per day in every subsequent day.

Right, it won't be long!

Oh, and I just heard someone say the last time the Pope was chosen on the first day was 1370.

From Wikipedia:

The election of Pope Gregory XI

Eighteen cardinals present in Avignon entered the conclave on December 29. In the first ballot on the next day in the morning Cardinal Pierre Roger de Beaufort, nephew of Clement VI, protodeacon of the Sacred College, was unanimously elected Pope.[4] He initially opposed his election but eventually accepted and took the name of Gregory XI. On January 2, 1371, he was ordained to the priesthood, and on January 3 he was consecrated bishop of Rome by the dean of the College of Cardinals Guy de Boulogne, and crowned by the new protodeacon Rinaldo Orsini in the cathedral Notre Dame des Doms in Avignon.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1370_papal_conclave

Or maybe 1378, this stuff is confusing:

The 1378 papal conclave which was held from 7 to 9 April 1378, was the papal conclave which was the immediate cause of the Western Schism in the Catholic Church. The conclave was one of the shortest in the history of the Catholic Church.[1] The conclave was also the first held in the Vatican and in Old St. Peter's Basilica since 1159 (the elections and conclaves in Rome prior to the Avignon Papacy having been held mostly in the Basilica of St. John Lateran).[2]

Pope Gregory XI died on 26 March 1378, in Rome, having returned from Avignon to pursue his territorial interests in the Papal States during the War of the Eight Saints. Although the French cardinals constituted a majority of the College of Cardinals due to the preceding Avignon Papacy, they succumbed to the will of the Roman mob, which demanded the election of an Italian pontiff. They elected Bishop Bartolommeo Prignano, who took the name Pope Urban VI. This was the last time a non-cardinal was elected pope.[3]

15 hours ago, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:

There's one vote in the first day of the Conclave, and there will be 4 votes per day in every subsequent day.

The first vote of day two: black smoke.

We're still waiting for our next Pope.

15 hours ago, theguru said:

Or maybe 1378, this stuff is confusing:

I attempted to read this book a few years ago - it was dense and dull and I couldn't finish it. I was amazed, however, at the lack of a true list of former popes. Dates were confused and conflicting. And as @Colonels_Wear_Blue elaborated on a while back, the splits of the papacy, some claiming Avignon and some Rome, only made it more difficult. Confusing is the right word here!

4 hours ago, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:

The first vote of day two: black smoke.

We're still waiting for our next Pope.

0-3

Have they done a 3rd smoke yet? I haven’t seen it. 

White smoke!