11 minutes ago, theguru said:

I think TD celebrations need to be an area of emphasis too.  However we do it is fine (celebrations or not) but it has to be uniform, it has to be consistent.

The problem with consistency concerning flagging celebrations is where do you draw the line as to what is acceptable. Everybody probably has a slightly different opinion as to what is "excessive". I say let them celebrate. Football is an emotional game, and in the end it's supposed to be fun. Sure maybe you could have some "rules", like the helmet needs to stay on, no props, no taunting of the opponent. But if someone wants to do the Griddy or a backflip, let the kids do it. 

Just now, rjs4470 said:

The problem with consistency concerning flagging celebrations is where do you draw the line as to what is acceptable. Everybody probably has a slightly different opinion as to what is "excessive". I say let them celebrate. Football is an emotional game, and in the end it's supposed to be fun. Sure maybe you could have some "rules", like the helmet needs to stay on, no props, no taunting of the opponent. But if someone wants to do the Griddy or a backflip, let the kids do it. 

From the other thread, this is what we are working with:

9-5-1

"No player shall act in an unsportsmanlike manner once the game officials assume authority for the game.

Examples are, but not limited to:

[c] any delayed, excessive or prolonged act by which a player attempts to focus attention upon himself."

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It seems sufficiently ambiguous to have this rule inconsistently applied to celebrations.

5 minutes ago, theguru said:

From the other thread, this is what we are working with:

9-5-1

"No player shall act in an unsportsmanlike manner once the game officials assume authority for the game.

Examples are, but not limited to:

[c] any delayed, excessive or prolonged act by which a player attempts to focus attention upon himself."

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It seems sufficiently ambiguous to have this rule inconsistently applied to celebrations.

Isn't this sentence a given:  No player shall act in an unsportsmanlike manner once the game officials assume authority for the game.

I think so.  Broad brush.

So concerning:  any delayed, excessive or prolonged act by which a player attempts to focus attention upon himself.

To me that is subjective.  Is he celebrating with his teammates as a team?  Or is he "attempting to focus attention upon himself"?

It comes down to some like it and some don't.  Some refs will call it and some refs won't.  I don't see that changing.

To me, I like what @Jumper_Dad said in the TD Celebrations Thread.  I don't see that hurting anyone.  Is this bootcamp or high school football.  These kids put a lot of effort into this.  I don't see why they can't have some reasonable fun doing so.

My issue is you don't have it called all year long; you get to an important playoff game and a kid celebrates after a TD and here come the flags.  

 

9 minutes ago, Purple88 said:

My issue is you don't have it called all year long; you get to an important playoff game and a kid celebrates after a TD and here come the flags.  

That is the issue and it is the fault of the "adults" in charge. 

I never threw a flag if the celebration was after the score and no taunting to the other team player before or after…celebrate!

Kids should celebrate touchdowns more than they already do!

Bump.

I saw this on Facebook, the caption was, "A high school football referees worst nightmare"

22 minutes ago, theguru said:

I saw this on Facebook, the caption was, "A high school football referees worst nightmare"

They aren’t lying.   It’s comical how tore up refs get over the knee pad thing 

The irony in all of it? In terms of equipment “protection” as it applies to parts of the body?

Head= $400-$1,000 for a helmet

Shoulder Pads= $200-$500

Knees= $2.00 foam pads not much bigger than silver dollar in diameter and those “better be covering the knee!!”

5 minutes ago, Calico Jack said:

They aren’t lying.   It’s comical how tore up refs get over the knee pad thing 

The irony in all of it? In terms of equipment “protection” as it applies to parts of the body?

Head= $400-$1,000 for a helmet

Shoulder Pads= $200-$500

Knees= $2.00 foam pads not much bigger than silver dollar in diameter and those “better be covering the knee!!”

Is the refs getting torn up or is it a rule and an area of emphasis the refs are supposed to be enforcing?

12 minutes ago, theguru said:

Is the refs getting torn up or is it a rule and an area of emphasis the refs are supposed to be enforcing?

Oh it’s a rule.  But it’s become one of those almost “looking for stuff” when it comes to the knee pads. I’ve never seen a kid try to come out and play like the picture above, but I’ve seen kids sent out of games or pulled to the side during warm ups for mere centimeters of the “knee not being covered”.

3 minutes ago, Calico Jack said:

Oh it’s a rule.  But it’s become one of those almost “looking for stuff” when it comes to the knee pads. I’ve never seen a kid try to come out and play like the picture above, but I’ve seen kids sent out of games or pulled to the side during warm ups for mere centimeters of the “knee not being covered”.

I think we are going to see more of it.

First of all, who in the world thinks that is a good look? To me it is clownish.

But I get it. It is fashion more than anything else and fashion always changes and looks for new and different.

It really comes down to the safety issue. If knee pads and coverings are not safety concerns, then change the rule. If there is a safety issue, then enforce the rule.

3 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

First of all, who in the world thinks that is a good look? To me it is clownish.

But I get it. It is fashion more than anything else and fashion always changes and looks for new and different.

It really comes down to the safety issue. If knee pads and coverings are not safety concerns, then change the rule. If there is a safety issue, then enforce the rule.

This is one thing I really appreciate about the NFL.  They enforce a strict uniform code and players/teams all look really nice. 

Who Dey!

1 hour ago, theguru said:

This is one thing I really appreciate about the NFL.  They enforce a strict uniform code and players/teams all look really nice. 

Who Dey!

Many of them won’t have a single pad in their pants.