Pants are smaller.  My 12 year old's pants from last year still fit.  I bought a second pair because I like having 2 pairs for my kids.  I bought the exact same pair and size, they are so small he can't pull them above his knees.  Both are Adult Medium.  Guess what....I exchanged them for a Large.  They fit.  Size up people, as I said before, this isn't rocket science.

On 8/15/2024 at 4:04 PM, nikeman49 said:

Just a little common sense officiating is refreshing and certainly nothing wrong with it.

That common sense officiating can lead to a non common sense lawsuit against an official, coach, school, etc. If a player has a career ending knee injury the first thing an attorney will check is if the players were properly (according to NFHS rule book) equipped. Sad but true.

On 8/14/2024 at 12:43 AM, Voice of Reason said:

In what officials association are these the rules of emphasis?

It should be EVERY association.

On 8/15/2024 at 10:25 AM, New Colonel said:

That is whoever's fault is outfitting the kids with pants that don't fit right.  If you are in charge of purchasing, make sure the product you purchase fits the players properly.  This isn't rocket science.  

And if you want a rule change, get a ton of coaches together and propose a rule change.  That's how these things happen.

Officials need to officiate, and coaches need to coach, and priority number one of coaches should be safety of your players, and having them properly equipped is for safety purposes.  If the coach or player doesn't like it, get out of the sport.  

Safety is also priority one for officials too.

42 minutes ago, 9068 said:

That common sense officiating can lead to a non common sense lawsuit against an official, coach, school, etc. If a player has a career ending knee injury the first thing an attorney will check is if the players were properly (according to NFHS rule book) equipped. Sad but true.

Have never, ever known this to be a factor in a lawsuit, can you cite examples please?

35 minutes ago, 9068 said:

It should be EVERY association.

Should be but we all know this isn’t happening in all associations.

44 minutes ago, 9068 said:

Safety is also priority one for officials too.

I disagree.  If it were, then they would have been enforcing the properly equipped issue already with exposed back plates, uncovered knees, tinted visors, etc.  There would be no need to make that a point of emphasis if the already established rules were actually enforced because it is about safety.

53 minutes ago, nikeman49 said:

Have never, ever known this to be a factor in a lawsuit, can you cite examples please?

Not a knee injury, but ask Guru about a situation at his alma mater that led to lawsuits, a big injury, and rule changes. And yes, officials were named in suit, along with coaches, and helmet manufacturer.

Well, today while coaching my son's youth football game in the NKYFL, I had to tell the officials that the QB on the other team had an illegally tinted visor and it should be removed.  They said, "Seriously coach."  I said, yes, I thought kids being properly equipped was a point of emphasis.  They let him play the entire first quarter with it and they had it removed then.  I was told, "We aren't sending a 9 year old out of a game for that."  I couldn't believe it.

12 hours ago, New Colonel said:

Well, today while coaching my son's youth football game in the NKYFL, I had to tell the officials that the QB on the other team had an illegally tinted visor and it should be removed.  They said, "Seriously coach."  I said, yes, I thought kids being properly equipped was a point of emphasis.  They let him play the entire first quarter with it and they had it removed then.  I was told, "We aren't sending a 9 year old out of a game for that."  I couldn't believe it.

Good common sense officiating by not stopping play immediately to remove the tinted visor, the visor didn’t have any effect on the game I’m sure, just would have been embarrassing for the young kid playing the game he loves, just a little common sense please.

Well if that kid would have had a head injury, those coaches and officials would have been liable.  That's why the rule is there, so you can easily see the eyes of the player.  

 

That's common sense.

Enforce the rules you are paid to enforce.

And if that kid got embarrassed by being removed from the game to remove the visor (as the rule states) and a penalty enforced.... More than likely the child wouldn't try to wear it anymore and the coach will make sure of that too.

But this way, the "common sense way," the player will likely try to wear it every week.

This is how we got into this mess, by officials being super inconsistent over very black and white rules....no judgement necessary.

2 hours ago, New Colonel said:

Well if that kid would have had a head injury, those coaches and officials would have been liable.  That's why the rule is there, so you can easily see the eyes of the player.  

 

That's common sense.

Enforce the rules you are paid to enforce.

And if that kid got embarrassed by being removed from the game to remove the visor (as the rule states) and a penalty enforced.... More than likely the child wouldn't try to wear it anymore and the coach will make sure of that too.

But this way, the "common sense way," the player will likely try to wear it every week.

This is how we got into this mess, by officials being super inconsistent over very black and white rules....no judgement necessary.

Officiating is never going to be consistent, never has and never will be, accept this and your life will be more relaxing.

4 minutes ago, nikeman49 said:

Officiating is never going to be consistent, never has and never will be, accept this and your life will be more relaxing.

If high school sports officiating causes you stress you need a new hobby or interest lol.

59 minutes ago, nikeman49 said:

Officiating is never going to be consistent, never has and never will be, accept this and your life will be more relaxing.

I'm relaxed, I just want clear cut rules enforced, especially when it's supposed to be emphasized this season.

I think TD celebrations need to be an area of emphasis too.  However we do it is fine (celebrations or not) but it has to be uniform, it has to be consistent.