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Scottie Scheffler Arrested at PGA

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5 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Which officer should he comply with? The one that says go or the one that says stop?

First of all, do we even know if there was another officer that told Scheffler to do anything or is that just speculation and/or something the defense is putting forward to muddy the waters?

To your point (and assuming there actually was another officer involved), if they were both giving a command at the same time, then yes this is a total misunderstanding.  However, if Scheffler received commands from two different officers at two different times, clearly you follow what the most recent one is telling you to do. 

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    Here is some Zapruder-like fodder.  The 4 minute Pole video and the 55 minute dashcam video synch up at around 0:27 seconds and 22:47.  You can not see much in either until Scheffler's vehicle co

  • Not to make light of a tragic situation, but if Sheffler showed up to the 1st tee box in his orange jumpsuit that would have broken the universe.

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51 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

Defense attorney said drop the charges or go to trial, they aren’t taking a plea.

I'd fire him if he said anything other than at least that. 

50 minutes ago, theguru said:

That is why I added Assault 3rd, the mental state there is recklessly.  Here it is again:

508.025 Assault in the third degree.
(1) A person is guilty of assault in the third degree when the actor:
(a) Recklessly, with a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument, or intentionally
causes or attempts to cause physical injury to:
1. A state, county, city, or federal peace officer;

Yeah, to spell that out even further.  You don't have to have intent to do it, just be reckless, in a manor which results in it. The assault 2nd surprised me but again, I know nothing about what happened this morning. 

50 minutes ago, theguru said:

Under any normal circumstance when that happens the prosecution digs in. 

And with an injured police officer, dropping the charges says to every police officer in America, get out of the profession.

Haha like they've not already heard that call. Numbers are low for a reason. 

Just now, sportsfan41 said:

Haha like they've not already heard that call. Numbers are low for a reason. 

Right, just one more nail in the coffin. 

46 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

If the report is true another officer directed Scheffler across the median, reckless flew out the door.

In my opinion that's where it gets murky. Were Officers having other golfers go across the median? Communication is key on both sides. 

40 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Sketchy to prove IMO.

Another fact. Scheffler's car was clearly marked as a player's car. The officer should have known and recognized that. He should have known this wasn't some random person trying to avoid traffic.

I've seen that a few times, but no explanation as to how it was marked. This happened at dusk, before sunlight during rain. Did the car have a bow on it or what?

31 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Which officer should he comply with? The one that says go or the one that says stop?

The one you're immediately dealing with. I doubt it was the one that said go.

1 minute ago, sportsfan41 said:

In my opinion that's where it gets murky. Were Officers having other golfers go across the median? Communication is key on both sides. 

So I am listening to what Jeff Darlington had to say about it since he was an eyewitness and the way I understand what he is saying there was no other officer, Darlington said, "Scheffler decided to go around, the police officer went to his window, tried to stop him, Scheffler continued to proceed..." This all starts at about the 230 mark in this video and there is more.  But the way I understand what Darlington is saying is Scheffler did this on his own without being directed by an additional, unknown officer and it sounds to me like Darlington is actually the star witness for the prosecution but doesn't realize it. 

 

Darlington goes on to say that Scheffler didn't know it was a police officer.  Then Darlington said Scheffler tried to apologize to arresting officer and said I didn't know you were a police officer. 

Those statements establish an intentional mental state. One where Scheffler was not going to comply because he didn't think there would be any consequence for non-compliance.  

Jeff Darlington is the star witness for the prosecution!!

28 minutes ago, sportsfan41 said:

I've seen that a few times, but no explanation as to how it was marked. This happened at dusk, before sunlight during rain. Did the car have a bow on it or what?

I have heard there is a "P" on the front windshield and signage on the car that says official vehicle.

6 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

I have heard there is a "P" on the front windshield and signage on the car that says official vehicle.

I think Darlington said it was on the side of the vehicle.  Maybe there was something on the front too.  But again, none of that matters, when a police officer stops you, you comply and I think it is pretty clear Scheffler did not comply and as a result an officer was injured.  And if Scheffler is going to use the "I didn't know it was a police officer defense" he is admitting his intentional non-compliance and he is also admitting he is not always the great guy he claims to be.  I feel like the more we talk about all the trees in the forest, the worse it gets. 

Right now, this feels to me like the first release of the NCAA college football playoff rankings. We know we only have maybe half the facts we need.

Just now, Voice of Reason said:

Right now, this feels to me like the first release of the NCAA college football playoff rankings. We know we only have maybe half the facts we need.

I disagree, we have the no nonsense post arrest complaint and the eyewitness testimony of someone that thinks they are helping Scheffler only they are actually incriminating Scheffler and impeaching his defense narrative. 

I don’t know all the facts, just what I have read in this thread, but is it possible Scottie was confused because they had allowed some vehicles in front of him to go through that route and he may have thought with his car marked as a player’s vehicle that he was okay to go that way as well. He said he wasn’t aware the officer was holding his car or dragged. With the darkness and rain maybe he mistook the officer’s directions. 

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