1. Nothing, it is an NFL issue?

 

2. Suspend him for "X" amount of games?

 

3. Fine him?

 

4. Wait and see what happens in court? If you choose this one what would you do if he is found guilty? What about diversion? What about not guilty? Is not guilty the same as innocent in your opinion?

 

5. I have my own idea and it is?

 

No matter what happens in court I think this is a critical point in Marvin's leadership role. If he (and the Bengals) do nothing (or next to nothing) their credibility with me falls somewhere between slim and none considering all the big talk recently from Marvin. If this is the course of action, I think it could be the beginning of the end for Marvin as the head coach of the Bengals.

 

If Marvin and the Bengals take a stand with JJ I see the postseason in the future.

 

Your thoughts?

I'm not sure what they should do. But if he is found guilty I think he will be suspended a fews games from Marvin/Bengals. Fines for these guys are useless and I don't think there is anything the NFL can do about it really unless he was a repeat offender.

I take the stand that Paul Daugherty took in his Enquirer column today.

I suspend him for 2 games.

 

I'm sick and tired of all this character guy bull that Marvin has been feeding us. Show that you have control over the team, or things will only get worse.

I suspend him for 2 games.

 

I'm sick and tired of all this character guy bull that Marvin has been feeding us. Show that you have control over the team, or things will only get worse.

 

:thumb:

I said it in another thread. The U of Miami of the NFL. No respect for themselves, the game, or their team.

The CBA doesn't allow you to do much. And you can't really do anything until he is found guilty. What do you suggest Ru???

The CBA doesn't allow you to do much. And you can't really do anything until he is found guilty. What do you suggest Ru???

 

I say two games regardless of what the court finds assuming the dope was his. I think the Bengals need to do their own independent investigation of the matter including interviewing all parties involved. Even if the case is diverted or he is found not guilty he still is in violation of "Team Rules" as I see it.

 

Also, I need to know more about the CBA and what powers teams have in matters like this and what the restrictions are in this and other like cases. Anyone?

I say two games regardless of what the court finds assuming the dope was his. I think the Bengals need to do their own independent investigation of the matter including interviewing all parties involved. Even if the case is diverted or he is found not guilty he still is in violation of "Team Rules" as I see it.

 

Also, I need to know more about the CBA and what powers teams have in matters like this and what the restrictions are in this and other like cases. Anyone?

http://www.nflpa.org/pdfs/RulesAndRegs/Drug_Policy_2006.pdf

 

There is the drug policy. I don't believe teams can act outside of that in Stage 1, so I don't think a suspension will fly with the NFLPA...

Can you diagram it out for us on the forum?

This is what they have for Stage 1...

 

E. Intervention Stages.

1. Stage One.

a. Procedures.

 

(1) Intervention Evaluation: A player entering Stage One of

the Intervention Program will be referred to a Regional

Team which shall evaluate the player promptly. After

receipt of the Regional Team’s evaluation, the Medical

Director, in his discretion, shall determine whether the

player should be referred for appropriate clinical

intervention and/or treatment (including inpatient treatment

at a Treatment Facility selected by the Medical Director as

being qualified to treat the player’s particular needs) and

subsequent development of a Treatment Plan. The Medical

Director’s determination is not dependent upon a finding

that the player carries a diagnosis of substance abuse or

dependence, but rather is dependent upon whether, in the

Medical Director’s judgment, participation in the

Intervention Program may assist in preventing the player’s

potential future misuse of substances of abuse.

 

(2) Treatment Plans: If the Medical Director determines that

a player should be referred for appropriate clinical

intervention and/or treatment, the player shall be referred to

a Treating Clinician. If the Treating Clinician determines

the player requires a Treatment Plan, one shall be

developed. The Medical Director shall determine whether

the proposed Treatment Plan is an acceptable Treatment

Plan for the purpose of affording the player the benefits of

the Intervention Program.

 

Notwithstanding the foregoing, the Treating Clinician is

solely responsible for the care of the player. A player who

fails to adhere to his Treatment Plan approved by the

Medical Director or fails to execute a Consent to Exchange

Intervention Program Information shall be subject to the

disciplinary and stage advancement provisions set forth

below.

If the Medical Director determines that a player does not

require clinical intervention and/or treatment, but should

remain in the Intervention Program, the player will be

subject to testing but will not have a Treatment Plan.

However, if the Medical Director decides at any time while

a player is in any stage of the Intervention Program that the

player should be referred for clinical intervention and/or

treatment, a Treatment Plan shall be developed, if

indicated.

 

(3) Testing: In Stage One, the Medical Director may require

the player to submit to as many Tests for substances of

abuse as, in his discretion, are required to adequately

evaluate the player, and those Tests shall be administered

under the direction of the Medical Advisor.

 

b. Duration.

 

(1) Time Limitation: Players will remain in Stage One for a

period not to exceed 90 days; provided, however, that the

Medical Director, in verbal consultation with the Medical

Advisor, may extend the total time a player is in Stage One

up to six months. If, due to unusual and compelling

circumstances, the Medical Director determines that a

period in excess of six months is required, the six-month

period may be extended with the concurrence of the

Medical Advisor.

 

(2) Advancement to Stage Two: Subject to the time

limitations set forth in subsection (1) above, the Medical

Director will determine how long a player will remain in

Stage One. No player will be either advanced from Stage

One to Stage Two or dismissed from the Intervention

Stages without notification to the player by the Medical

Director.

 

(a) Behavior Evaluation: A player who is referred to

Stage One solely for Behavior and who upon

evaluation in Stage One is deemed by the Medical

Director not to require specific clinical intervention

and/or treatment will immediately be released from

any further obligations to participate in the

Intervention Stages and will thereafter assume the

same status as players who have never been referred

to the Intervention Stages. However, a player who is

referred to Stage One solely for Behavior, and who

upon evaluation in Stage One, is deemed by the

Medical Director to require specific clinical

intervention and/or treatment, will be advanced to

Stage Two upon notification to the player by the

Medical Director. Notwithstanding the foregoing, a

player who has a Positive Test while in Stage One

shall be automatically advanced to Stage Two.

 

(b) Positive Test Evaluation: A player who is referred

to Stage One by reason of a Positive Test, and who,

upon evaluation in Stage One is deemed by the

Medical Director not to require specific clinical

intervention and/or treatment will advance to Stage

Two upon notification to the player by the Medical

Director, and will be subject to Stage Two Testing

by the Medical Advisor but will not have a

Treatment Plan. However, a player who is referred

to Stage One by reason of a Positive Test and is

deemed by the Medical Director to require specific

clinical intervention and/or treatment, will be

advanced to Stage Two upon notification to the

player by the Medical Director.

 

© Discipline: If the Medical Director, after

consultation with the Medical Advisor, determines

in his discretion that a player in Stage One has

failed to cooperate with the evaluation process or

fails to comply with his Treatment Plan, both the

NFL Management Council and the NFLPA shall be

notified and the player will be subject to an

immediate fine equal to three-seventeenths (3/17) of

the amount in Paragraph 5 of the NFL Player

Contract, and he will be placed in Stage Two upon

notification by the Medical Director.

I say two games regardless of what the court finds assuming the dope was his. I think the Bengals need to do their own independent investigation of the matter including interviewing all parties involved. Even if the case is diverted or he is found not guilty he still is in violation of "Team Rules" as I see it.

 

Also, I need to know more about the CBA and what powers teams have in matters like this and what the restrictions are in this and other like cases. Anyone?

 

 

Marvin can decide not to play him; but it has to be done as matter of every day decisions on who suits up for games.

 

He cannot announce it as a punishment; only the NFL can punish for these matters.

 

He can't even tell Joseph this now; surely Joseph and his attorney would go to the players' union and the Bengals would be in trouble for that.

 

In other words, you are talking about scenarios that are not possible under the current CBA.

2. Suspend him for "X" amount of games? Eight games

WITH NO PAY.

I say two games regardless of what the court finds assuming the dope was his. I think the Bengals need to do their own independent investigation of the matter including interviewing all parties involved. Even if the case is diverted or he is found not guilty he still is in violation of "Team Rules" as I see it.

 

Also, I need to know more about the CBA and what powers teams have in matters like this and what the restrictions are in this and other like cases. Anyone?

 

 

Wow.

If he's found not guilty then nothing. If he's guilty then nothing.

 

IMO you can't make the 9th guy the scapegoat. IMO you don't overreact to JJ's situation based on other players mistakes.

If he's found not guilty then nothing. If he's guilty then nothing.

 

IMO you can't make the 9th guy the scapegoat. IMO you don't overreact to JJ's situation based on other players mistakes.

 

 

Then what do you do? At some point a statement needs to be made, might as well do it now.