1 minute ago, theguru said:

I am for a return to an 11 game schedule with a 16 team playoff.  Given time the talent should spread out.  Add to that, you only have to stay one year.   Additionally, the players need a union and the money should be set.

The bowl system makes college football unique/special. 16 team playoff makes it just like every other sport at every other level.... HS, college, & pro.  I would be against that but realize I am in the minority, and pretty much all by myself on that one. Lol

1 minute ago, ChiefSmoke said:

The bowl system makes college football unique/special. 16 team playoff makes it just like every other sport at every other level.... HS, college, & pro.  I would be against that but realize I am in the minority, and pretty much all by myself on that one. Lol

It would spread the talent out and that is what is needed. 

1 minute ago, theguru said:

It would spread the talent out and that is what is needed. 

The scholarship limits do that. Throw in the NIL deals, whoever can write the biggest checks will get the players, regardless of facilities or tradition. 

Just now, ChiefSmoke said:

The scholarship limits do that. Throw in the NIL deals, whoever can write the biggest checks will get the players, regardless of facilities or tradition. 

No the scholarship limits do not or we wouldn't see such a disparity now.  That is also why the payments need to be set so one team/program can't pay more than the others and at the top of college football they are all getting paid.  

2 minutes ago, theguru said:

No the scholarship limits do not or we wouldn't see such a disparity now.  That is also why the payments need to be set so one team/program can't pay more than the others and at the top of college football they are all getting paid.  

The scholarship limits make it much different/better than the old days. They stockpiled players with scholarships for other sports so that their rivals could not get those better players. I think with NIL you can forget setting limits on player payments. It will be the wild, wild west from here on out. Transfer portals, big checks, etc. are all going to be bigger factors, come in to play.  More so than the past, becoming a minor league for the NFL. 

 

2 minutes ago, ChiefSmoke said:

The scholarship limits make it much different/better than the old days. They stockpiled players with scholarships for other sports so that their rivals could not get those better players. I think with NIL you can forget setting limits on player payments. It will be the wild, wild west from here on out. Transfer portals, big checks, etc. are all going to be bigger factors, come in to play.  More so than the past, becoming a minor league for the NFL. 

 

It could be a lot better but as long as it is the wild, wild west I wouldn't expect much improvement and would think the haves and have nots will increase. 

3 hours ago, theguru said:

It could be a lot better but as long as it is the wild, wild west I wouldn't expect much improvement and would think the haves and have nots will increase. 

I tend to agree with you on the widening gap. And, I also anticipate based on his track record, no one will navigate the transfer portal and NIL better than Nick Saban.  But, I can also see a scenario where coaches at lesser known programs figure out the transfer portal and NIL better than some of the more established programs and emerge, that we are not expecting. 

15 minutes ago, ChiefSmoke said:

I tend to agree with you on the widening gap. And, I also anticipate based on his track record, no one will navigate the transfer portal and NIL better than Nick Saban.  But, I can also see a scenario where coaches at lesser known programs figure out the transfer portal and NIL better than some of the more established programs and emerge, that we are not expecting. 

I look at it this way, college football is now quasi-professional football because the players can be paid only under the current format there is no salary cap.  I think we all know how that is going to work out. 

Ohio State DT skipped bowl game but is playing in the Senior Bowl makes no sense.

On 1/1/2022 at 3:16 PM, ChiefSmoke said:

The scholarship limits make it much different/better than the old days. They stockpiled players with scholarships for other sports so that their rivals could not get those better players. I think with NIL you can forget setting limits on player payments. It will be the wild, wild west from here on out. Transfer portals, big checks, etc. are all going to be bigger factors, come in to play.  More so than the past, becoming a minor league for the NFL. 

 

College football already IS the minor league for the NFL. It always has been. Where else does the NFL get players from if it isn't the NCAA?

On 1/1/2022 at 3:11 PM, theguru said:

No the scholarship limits do not or we wouldn't see such a disparity now.  That is also why the payments need to be set so one team/program can't pay more than the others and at the top of college football they are all getting paid.  

In every era of college football there have been a handful of teams that cycle to the top. Every program has gone through extended stretches of not being a title contender. But there will always be a few coaches that are just doing it all better that the rest and are constantly in the hunt for the championship. Look at Alabama pre-Saban or Texas post-Brown, those schools had the same resources before and after those coaches, but even with all they had they couldn't get it done. The disparity is driven by coaching talent as much as on field talent. Expanding the playoffs will make more teams feel good about themselves but realistically expanding the playoffs isn't going to suddenly take 5 star players away from Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, they'll still get theirs. If a player is picking a school to win a title it will still be a short list. 

I think expanded playoffs will probably have more and more players sitting out of the other bowls as they are relegated to an even lower tier.

Also, we can't support NIL and then limit what a kid can earn. 

Just now, Jumper_Dad said:

In every era of college football there have been a handful of teams that cycle to the top. Every program has gone through extended stretches of not being a title contender. But there will always be a few coaches that are just doing it all better that the rest and are constantly in the hunt for the championship. Look at Alabama pre-Saban or Texas post-Brown, those schools had the same resources before and after those coaches, but even with all they had they couldn't get it done. The disparity is driven by coaching talent as much as on field talent. Expanding the playoffs will make more teams feel good about themselves but realistically expanding the playoffs isn't going to suddenly take 5 star players away from Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, they'll still get theirs. If a player is picking a school to win a title it will still be a short list. 

I think expanded playoffs will probably have more and more players sitting out of the other bowls as they are relegated to an even lower tier.

Also, we can't support NIL and then limit what a kid can earn. 

16 team playoff, payments set for players and it should be a high ceiling, one year and done.

2 hours ago, Jumper_Dad said:

Expanding the playoffs will make more teams feel good about themselves but realistically expanding the playoffs isn't going to suddenly take 5 star players away from Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, they'll still get theirs. If a player is picking a school to win a title it will still be a short list. 

I think expanded playoffs will probably have more and more players sitting out of the other bowls as they are relegated to an even lower tier.

Also, we can't support NIL and then limit what a kid can earn. 

I'll disagree with you, to a bit.  I think we are super, super early in the NIL phases.  Right now even the slightest drop in the pond has been viewed as a tidal wave, just because we've never had anything before to compare it to.

But, I think there's going to be an eventual limit/ceiling to what boosters are going to dole out.  Yeah, they may be willing to pay out for all of the starters, and maybe even the second string on some of these squads.  They're not going to be dumping huge wads of cash to some kid who's 3rd or 4th on the depth chart just because. Yeah, everybody may get the equivalent of a "signing bonus" to get them to sign initially...but, if a kid doesn't play, you still expect him to get paid?

Quinn Ewers is a good example.  He saw the success that CJ Stroud had, and knew that it was going to be an uphill battle to see the field at Ohio State the next year or two.  He can transfer to another school, and see not only his spot on the depth chart be elevated, but also his chance to make some more money being the starter.

So, I think over the next 3 or 4 years, we may see the transfer portal becoming a revolving door (even more so than it is right now).  Not feeling appreciated at your original school?  Then there'll be someone offering you a chance to come play for them and be able to take advantage of the NIL.  

Then, when you couple the opportunity to make the playoffs (with them being expanded), then that's one of the lone remaining recruiting advantages that certain teams are currently able to use being eliminated (or at least, being reduced).

7 hours ago, theguru said:

16 team playoff, payments set for players and it should be a high ceiling, one year and done.

Once a ceiling is set, that will also become the new minimum for 5 Stars and highly valued 4 Stars. Let's say $500,000 for example is the max a player can earn. Every recruit with multiple high level offers will expect a ceiling offer. Kids will view it as an insult if "only" $250,000 in NIL money is lined up for them. A cap will even further concentrate that talent is at only a handful of schools.

Just the way I see it.