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Reds 2020 Recap and look forward to 2021

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Recapping the 2020 season will be painful, looking forward to 2021 leads to prolonged worry about the roster and what is to come.

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This year versus career averages...

Barnhart .204 vs .248 -.044

Votto .226 vs .304  -.078

Moustakas .230 vs .251  -.021

Galvis .220 vs .247 -.027

Suarez .202 vs .261 -.059

Senzel .186 vs .245 -.059

Castellanos .225 vs .274 -.049

Winker .255 vs .280 -.025

None of them hit within 20 points of their career averages. I can see a couple of players having down years...but an entire TEAM!!! How does this happen?

 

Whether you like it or not, pencil in Votto, Moustakas and Suarez at first, second and third.  They're all under multi-year contracts, and aren't going any where.

Likewise, Barnhart and Iglesias are still under contract for 2021.  Somebody would have to be willing to take on their contracts (Barnhart=$4.187 mil, Iglesias=$9.125) in a trade.  Don't see it happening as individuals, but maybe in a bigger package.

Galvis is an UFA.  Don't see them spending money to bring him back.  Will Garcia be the answer?  Does Farmer get a look as the full-time SS or does he stay your ultimate utility player?

In the outfield, Shogo is the only one under a defined contract (7mil).    Aquino is under team control, while Goodwin and Winker will both go to arbitration.  Senzel has a hard time staying healthy, so I still don't think the Reds know what they have in him.  The two questions that may impact the most are...does Castellanos stay, and does the NL retain the DH?

Bauer is gone.  Gray and Miley are both under contract for 2021.  Disco is a UFA and likely gone.  Castillo and Mahle will go to arbitration.  Do the Reds look at Antone, Lorenzen or Romano for that 5th spot?  Or keep them in the pen and look elsewhere?  Bradley could be the man to close, if the Reds are able to deal Iggy.

13 minutes ago, Jumper_Dad said:

This year versus career averages...

Barnhart .204 vs .248 -.044

Votto .226 vs .304  -.078

Moustakas .230 vs .251  -.021

Galvis .220 vs .247 -.027

Suarez .202 vs .261 -.059

Senzel .186 vs .245 -.059

Castellanos .225 vs .274 -.049

Winker .255 vs .280 -.025

None of them hit within 20 points of their career averages. I can see a couple of players having down years...but an entire TEAM!!! How does this happen?

 

An absolute must...a new hitting coach.

This year = progress.

Next year = focus on offense. 

 How's that for stating the obvious.

2 hours ago, CincySportsFan said:

An absolute must...a new hitting coach.

Yes please!

4 hours ago, CincySportsFan said:

An absolute must...a new hitting coach.

HAVE TO!!  Guy just got fired in San Diego for finishing last in back to back seasons!!

AND take the money from whoever we lose and throw it at Bauer!!

If they have the DH Votto does need to go there full time, he is just absolutely horrible there anymore!!

Here is what Trevor Bauer, and the majority of these Reds "players" think of you.

Quote from Bauer's Agent:  "And now we get to go figure out where "home" will be next year."

The Reds took this guy in when he was considered a "misfit."  Provided him a stage on which to prove himself without any pressure.  He has a great season, increases his value in the marketplace, and instead of first making an effort to sign with the Reds, is already out looking for the highest bidder. 

Interpretation:  I'm too good for Cincinnati.   Cincinnati isn't a big enough stage for me and my ego.  Despite using Cincinnati to my best advantage, I now demand to be a prime time player on a prime time team.  Cincinnati be damned.

Let him go.  He is a loose cannon and will self-destruct.  Good riddance.

This is what I have said has been a fundamental problem on this team all year - No allegiance to the city and fans for the team whose uniform they are wearing today.  What's in it for me???  It's all about the $$$ and their own self-interests.

 

17 hours ago, Mustang said:

Here is what Trevor Bauer, and the majority of these Reds "players" think of you.

Quote from Bauer's Agent:  "And now we get to go figure out where "home" will be next year."

The Reds took this guy in when he was considered a "misfit."  Provided him a stage on which to prove himself without any pressure.  He has a great season, increases his value in the marketplace, and instead of first making an effort to sign with the Reds, is already out looking for the highest bidder. 

Interpretation:  I'm too good for Cincinnati.   Cincinnati isn't a big enough stage for me and my ego.  Despite using Cincinnati to my best advantage, I now demand to be a prime time player on a prime time team.  Cincinnati be damned.

Let him go.  He is a loose cannon and will self-destruct.  Good riddance.

This is what I have said has been a fundamental problem on this team all year - No allegiance to the city and fans for the team whose uniform they are wearing today.  What's in it for me???  It's all about the $$$ and their own self-interests.

 

Why shouldn't he be like that?  It's his job.  If another company came calling and asked me to go work for them for a considerable amount more, I'm not sure I'd worry about my current company's interest before my own.  

Never understood why we hold professional athletes to a different standard.

17 hours ago, Mustang said:

Here is what Trevor Bauer, and the majority of these Reds "players" think of you.

Quote from Bauer's Agent:  "And now we get to go figure out where "home" will be next year."

The Reds took this guy in when he was considered a "misfit."  Provided him a stage on which to prove himself without any pressure.  He has a great season, increases his value in the marketplace, and instead of first making an effort to sign with the Reds, is already out looking for the highest bidder. 

Interpretation:  I'm too good for Cincinnati.   Cincinnati isn't a big enough stage for me and my ego.  Despite using Cincinnati to my best advantage, I now demand to be a prime time player on a prime time team.  Cincinnati be damned.

Let him go.  He is a loose cannon and will self-destruct.  Good riddance.

This is what I have said has been a fundamental problem on this team all year - No allegiance to the city and fans for the team whose uniform they are wearing today.  What's in it for me???  It's all about the $$$ and their own self-interests.

 

I don't even know where to start with this.  So much I disagree on.  You've got a guy who's worked his butt off to be one of the top pitchers in baseball, and has maybe 5 to 7 years to take advantage of it financially...and you want to blame him for that?!?!?!?

 

13 hours ago, Jack of all Trades said:

Free agent contracts will not be what they have been the last few years.

They may not.  But, if he's true to his word on just signing one-year deals, there's going to be enough bidders out there that think he's the final piece to pushing them over the edge and onto the next level.  It'll be a whole lot easier to pay him $30 million for one year, than be on the hook for $200+ million over the next several years.

1 hour ago, CincySportsFan said:

They may not.  But, if he's true to his word on just signing one-year deals, there's going to be enough bidders out there that think he's the final piece to pushing them over the edge and onto the next level.  It'll be a whole lot easier to pay him $30 million for one year, than be on the hook for $200+ million over the next several years.

According to articles I have read, he is not objecting to signing a multi year deal this offseason.

2 hours ago, CincySportsFan said:

I don't even know where to start with this.  So much I disagree on.  You've got a guy who's worked his butt off to be one of the top pitchers in baseball, and has maybe 5 to 7 years to take advantage of it financially...and you want to blame him for that?!?!?!?

 

So, it's OK that all of our players are "Rent-A-Players"???'

Again, a criticism of our team.  They are not a team.  They are a collection of players, primarily looking out for themselves instead of the city which is paying their tabs.

If Bauer sells out on us, then he merely used us as his safe place to demonstrate what he is capable of doing to the rest of the league, and is now available to the highest bidder.

Maybe a longer time stint in Cincinnati would be a token of his appreciation to us, since he is now worth much more now than when he arrived.

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