That appears to be the common thought. Schedule higher class teams that are weak and you can beat. You’ll be rewarded more. Now you have to have a district you can get out of currently to take full advantage of it.

 

@theguru I think it definitely hurts Frederick Douglass. Their first 5 games vs the other city schools (which they are required to play) are currently a combined 7-21.

 

Being stuck in a district with a bunch bad teams (pretty much all of Lexington and some other areas) is a curse.

 

However, if the KHSAA lets teams out of district play the public schools will quickly organize to boycott the private schools.

 

Double-edged sword for sure!

I will give KHSAA credit, they were willing to pivot and adjust.

 

We still don't have it nailed down, but at least giving a multiplier to playing larger schools is a step in the right direction.

 

I think you are correct there is some over analyzing, but at the same time, Home Field advantage is real and it is significant. With the way the Semi-Finals are done as well, this could be the difference in a team making a 5 to 6 hour trip or staying at home.

 

I think the biggest reaction has came from the fact that the product the KHSAA first rolled out was, to be kind, "incomplete at best". It seems they are trying to course correct a little and props to them, but to put something as significant as home field advantage on a new and already broken system definitely created a stir.

 

Another point I have made previously is there should be a "bonus" for the following:

- Road or Neutral Site Wins

- Wins against prior year District Champions

- Wins against teams who reached the Regional Finals (3rd Round) the year before.

 

I also feel the District alignments need to create a tweak. When you are essentially forced to play District teams with no control of who is in your District, it creates an issue.

 

I still insist for teams in a 5-team District you can either choose to take your lowest scoring District win in the RPI and have the option to keep it, or duplicate our lowest scoring Non-District performance (win or loss).

 

In many cases a team that plays a tough non-district schedule will get a slight boost from their weakest loss over a win over a 0-10 District mate they are forced to play.

 

I think you are on point @ATLCat and I want to add everyone what Commissioner Tackett said again in the above article:

 

“While some coaches may argue about this piece or that piece, this poll or that poll, or whichever system would benefit them more than others, in the end, this project will result in people talking about high school sports which is always good. That discussion will lead to continual fine tuning to make the participation opportunities optimal for all involved,” added Tackett. “It is our hope that by laying out all the calculations and being completely transparent with the results, we provide a good publicity tool for our sports, a means for districts in all team sports to potentially break ties in standings, and of course, address the idea to revise the bracketing in football to peak interest in championship play during the playoffs, which was the original request.”

 

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I am right there with you Commish, I think the RPI is great and the fact that you (the KHSAA) is willing to pivot on a dime and upgrade the final product in addition to being transparent is amazing and great for Kentucky High School Football moving forward!

This afternoon's LexHerald web update has a KHSAA release further clarifyng the RPI calculation, its' development, and the oversight of failing to fully explain earlier that a team victory playing down against a lower class carries less weighting than a victory against a team from a larger class.

 

I would not pretend to be able to explain it, but it makes a lot of sense that mathematically a 2A team beating a 4A should normally carry more weight than that same 2A beating a 1A. I think the formula could make for some interesting outcomes and I, for one, appreciate the KHSAA is attempting something different than just rotation of districts.

This afternoon's LexHerald web update has a KHSAA release further clarifyng the RPI calculation, its' development, and the oversight of failing to fully explain earlier that a team victory playing down against a lower class carries less weighting than a victory against a team from a larger class.

 

I would not pretend to be able to explain it, but it makes a lot of sense that mathematically a 2A team beating a 4A should normally carry more weight than that same 2A beating a 1A. I think the formula could make for some interesting outcomes and I, for one, appreciate the KHSAA is attempting something different than just rotation of districts.

 

I edited your post slightly and merged it with this thread, I think this is the right place.

If this is based off the Colorado RPI like the KHSAA has mentioned, wait til it determines who makes the playoffs...you talk about some interesting threads!

Being stuck in a district with a bunch bad teams (pretty much all of Lexington and some other areas) is a curse.

 

However, if the KHSAA lets teams out of district play the public schools will quickly organize to boycott the private schools.

 

Double-edged sword for sure!

 

I meant you have to have district you can win the first two rounds of the playoffs not opting out of district play. I can see where how I phrased that would cause confusion. Your RPI isn’t going mean much if you can’t get past the first two rounds of the playoffs.

After reading this entire thread to date I wonder if it is going to be harder to find larger class teams willing to play the smaller class powers like Somerset, Pikeville, Mayfield, Beechwood, etc? Playing up has been the tried and true "hardened by fire" approach for years; but, it does appear the larger class school runs the risk of a loss that would be very penalizing. It would be very interesting to see the model retroactively run against the 2018 regular season. Perhaps the KHSAA has done this for a validity look back?

After reading this entire thread to date I wonder if it is going to be harder to find larger class teams willing to play the smaller class powers like Somerset, Pikeville, Mayfield, Beechwood, etc? Playing up has been the tried and true "hardened by fire" approach for years; but, it does appear the larger class school runs the risk of a loss that would be very penalizing. It would be very interesting to see the model retroactively run against the 2018 regular season. Perhaps the KHSAA has done this for a validity look back?

 

On the KHSAA link it has RPI for 2018 for reference.

On the KHSAA link it has RPI for 2018 for reference.

 

I looked on the site but could not find 2018. Can you provide a link?

I looked on the site but could not find 2018. Can you provide a link?

RPI Details | Kentucky High School Athletic Association

RPI Details | Kentucky High School Athletic Association

 

From that link showing what 2018 would have looked like, first of all, look at the top 20, no 6A schools:

 

1 DeSales 2A 0.842

2 Christian Academy-Louisville 2A 0.832

3 Mayfield 2A0.820

4 Boyle County 3A 0.804

5 Corbin 3A 0.740

6 Beechwood 1A 0.737

7 Paintsville 1A 0.734

8 Raceland 1A 0.733

9 Somerset 2A 0.724

10 Paducah Tilghman 3A 0.597 0.713

11 Lexington Catholic 3A 0.707

12 Covington Catholic 5A 0.705

13 Hazard 1A 0.698

14 Johnson Central 4A 0.698

15 Campbellsville 1A 0.681

16 South Warren 5A 0.680

17 Williamsburg 1A 0.678

18 Glasgow 2A 0.677

19 Pikeville 1A 0.677

20 Crittenden County 1A 0.527 0.676

From that link showing what 2018 would have looked like, first of all, look at the top 20, no 6A schools:

 

1 DeSales 2A 0.842

2 Christian Academy-Louisville 2A 0.832

3 Mayfield 2A0.820

4 Boyle County 3A 0.804

5 Corbin 3A 0.740

6 Beechwood 1A 0.737

7 Paintsville 1A 0.734

8 Raceland 1A 0.733

9 Somerset 2A 0.724

10 Paducah Tilghman 3A 0.597 0.713

11 Lexington Catholic 3A 0.707

12 Covington Catholic 5A 0.705

13 Hazard 1A 0.698

14 Johnson Central 4A 0.698

15 Campbellsville 1A 0.681

16 South Warren 5A 0.680

17 Williamsburg 1A 0.678

18 Glasgow 2A 0.677

19 Pikeville 1A 0.677

20 Crittenden County 1A 0.527 0.676

 

Since 6A teams can't play teams that give them a multiplier for winning, that makes sense, right?

Also from that link Trinity came it at 141 out of 221 schools. That's funny...

 

The 6A Champs, Male, came in at 46 just ahead of Ludlow at 47. MMMkay.

 

6A runner up Scott County came in at 75.

 

Since 6A teams can't play teams that give them a multiplier for winning, that makes sense, right?

 

I think it makes a severely flawed system.

Back to 2019 for Trinity, I see Carmel from Indiana is 4 and 2 with their only other loss being by 6 points.

 

I also see Warren Central (IN) is 4 and 2 with their only other loss being being in overtime to Ben Davis by 3.

 

My point here is our version of the Kentucky RPI is not giving teams like Trinity nearly enough credit for the out of state teams they beat, both of which would probably be top five teams in Kentucky.