What does "2 years probation" mean in high school. I see the fine and the playoff game suspension for Duffy, but are there any other punishments (no playoffs, reduced schedule, etc.) that will be brought down on Henderson County.

From By-Law 33:

"Probation is a more severe penalty and may be described in the following manner. Normally, an individual or a school on probation is on conditional Association membership, but may engage in their/its regular schedule, sanctioned events, and district, regional and state championships. This is provided that the individual and/or school has taken steps to insure the problem which placed the individual, sport or school on probation has taken steps to alleviate the problem which caused the probation. Additionally, a school on probation may be restricted to limits on contests/scrimmages as

may be deemed appropriate."

 

Even though it doesn't appear to carry a lot of weight, the KHSAA lists it just one step short of suspension.

What doesn't add up? Duffer let TJ practice and is now taking the punishment for it, nothing more nothing less.

 

On a side note, not making an excuse for letting TJ practice but the KHSAA fouled this one up from the start.

What doesn't add up is a $7000 fine.

 

Are you making light of what I perceive as a steep financial penalty for having a kid practice on your team.......not play on your team?

 

I am familiar with public school athletic departments that don't have much excess monies laying around. Is Henderson County not one of them?

I dont know all the facts, but from what I've read personally, this is a stupid move by the KHSAA. Especially if the kid never played one snap.

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What doesn't add up is a $7000 fine.

 

Are you making light of what I perceive as a steep financial penalty for having a kid practice on your team.......not play on your team?

 

I am familiar with public school athletic departments that don't have much excess monies laying around. Is Henderson County not one of them?

 

I am not making light of anything. I guess I was confused or misunderstood what you meant by the $7000 fine doesn't add up. But I think I understand now. As far as what would have been the penalty if TJ had played in games I guess ask Highlands.

I dont know all the facts, but from what I've read personally, this is a stupid move by the KHSAA. Especially if the kid never played one snap.

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The rules very clearly state that an ineligible player is not allowed to practice. Why is enforcing a rule stupid?

Henderson Co was tryin to help the kid out. He was not going 2b an impact player on the 05 team had he got to play. The kid was havin a tuff time that i will not go into here, but 2 hrs practicing was 2 hrs that he wasn't worrying about issues in his life. No devious plot by the coachin staff here. It appears the axe's are still out.

Henderson Co was tryin to help the kid out. He was not going 2b an impact player on the 05 team had he got to play. The kid was havin a tuff time that i will not go into here, but 2 hrs practicing was 2 hrs that he wasn't worrying about issues in his life. No devious plot by the coachin staff here. It appears the axe's are still out.

 

Regardless the rule is very clear that he cannot practice. The school dodged a bomb on this one. Had he been hurt the KHSAA, I don't think, would have covered him and the school with insurance. The school could have sufferd heavily in monetary damages had he been injured in practice. Regardless of "coaches intentions" this was a tremendous risk.

Henderson Co was tryin to help the kid out. He was not going 2b an impact player on the 05 team had he got to play. The kid was havin a tuff time that i will not go into here, but 2 hrs practicing was 2 hrs that he wasn't worrying about issues in his life. No devious plot by the coachin staff here. It appears the axe's are still out.

The transfer was pre-Katrina. That is confusing you. The kid left just like kids leave every day and went somewhere else. Regardless, all of us as schools are told that you cannot practice ineligible kids. Hundreds of reasons, not the least of which is liability and insurance related. They probably got off easy to be honest.

What doesn't add up is a $7000 fine.

 

Are you making light of what I perceive as a steep financial penalty for having a kid practice on your team.......not play on your team?

 

I am familiar with public school athletic departments that don't have much excess monies laying around. Is Henderson County not one of them?

Remember, from the article, he didn't just incidentally practice. He practiced the entire season with the school knowing he shouldn't be practicing.

TJ moved before Katrina but his transfer paper work was still in New Orleans. The KHSAA didn't care and said with the paper work he couldn't play. I guess Duffer could have rented some scub gear.

Not true according to the Evansville press. The coaches were trying to concoct some paperwork to get the transfer process in order according to past stories. Bottom line, all of us are told that the move, custody , etc. has to be BEFORE the student enrolls at the new school. Not after.

First off, Im not a Henderson fan. I do agree with what is being said. A rule is a rule, and in this case a rule was broken. But as we know, some schools are above KHSAA rules. I just dont like how some people on here are making Hendo out to look like they did something that was horrible. I could give 20 examples RIGHT NOW of things done by other programs that the KHSAA turns their heads or slaps a wrist for. Like I said, im not a Hendo fan, or an insider on thier program, but from what I got this boy had issues and football was his outlet. Never played a snap. And also, what exactly does 2 years probation mean?

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That I don't know. I believe they said he was ineligible until they got the correct paper work then Katrina hit making it impossible to get the paper work. But I can't say that for sure.

 

This was what was said on WSON or one news source last year and it was what I heard from people around the program. However, I also heard it may have had something to do with a custody issue, but I am not sure about that.

This may help with some questions: from the hendeson co. gleaner

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2006/nov/01/mcelveen-case-was-rules-over-compassion/?gleaner=1/

 

 

]McElveen case was rules over compassion

Henderson County High School broke the rules by allowing an ineligible player to practice with the football team last season.

 

T.J. McElveen was ruled ineligible to play in 2005 by the Kentucky High School Athletic Association but he practiced anyway with the knowledge of the school administration even though it was a violation of the KHSAA bylaws.

 

But McElveen's case isn't so clear cut. It's a case where compassion should have been placed ahead of the rules.

 

In the summer of 2005, McElveen moved to Henderson from the New Orleans area to live with his father. He enrolled in school in July and wanted to play football. McElveen, who was a junior at the time, had never played varsity football in Louisiana but was on the track team.

 

A question over McElveen's legal guardianship along with the fact that he had participated in a varsity sport led the KHSAA to decide that McElveen would have to sit out one year before being eligible to compete in athletics at Henderson County High School.

 

Sports writer Kevin Patton can be reached at 831-8350 or [email protected]

Insurance is only available to eligible students. That is why you can't practice. The rules are clear, surely some one read them. Any transfer, for any reason, at any time, should send up a flag that there are special rules that apply.