With respect to points in a three-way tiebreaker scenario, I don't think Male would have an advantage over X due to the Trinity loss because Male missed its game with Owensboro and will thus only have nine games in its regular season schedule. I would guess that X would win the tiebreaker in a three-way tie because the Tigers have played a tougher schedule (i.e. their opponents have a better record than those of Male's).

 

Winning Friday is very important for Male to avoid such complications.

And why? I was in Louisville recently and visiting one of the lovely restaurant's facilities downtown and saw an "Old Rivalry" sign with the H. Why is Male H? Are they that bad of spellers at Male?

 

 

Male was known simply as "High School", hence the "H".

With respect to points in a three-way tiebreaker scenario, I don't think Male would have an advantage over X due to the Trinity loss because Male missed its game with Owensboro and will thus only have nine games in its regular season schedule. I would guess that X would win the tiebreaker in a three-way tie because the Tigers have played a tougher schedule (i.e. their opponents have a better record than those of Male's).

 

Winning Friday is very important for Male to avoid such complications.

I forgot about that. So, if Manual beats Male and X wins the tiebraker, it would be a REMATCH THE VERY NEXT WEEK ON THE EXACT SAME FIELD.

 

Boy, what a logical playoff system.

Male was known simply as "High School", hence the "H".

I am guessing that is why your H as a BGP name and explains it. I just thought for all of these months that you were lazy and didn't want to type a second letter. :D :D

 

Thanks for the info.

I thought about using an A or my nickname "Bama Larry". Ladies come on down and watch the game with us.

The first factor for seeding is district record. It doesn't matter who beat who. Out of district record in and of itself is a non-factor. For a 3 way tie, you look at the points you accumulate from wins of defeated opponents to determine who is number one. Then you look at who beat who between the two remaining teams. X lost ground on the first place tiebraker with the 10 minute loss to Trinity, even though they played those top 3A teams. I haven't looked at it, but I would guess that those missing points would put Male ahead. It isn't inconceivable that X would actually stand above Male in those points, in which case X could be the 1st seed. Surely, someone reading this is up on the current point standings for R2D4 threeway tiebrakers.

 

After my post I discovered this question was addressed and explained very well by Watusi in post #3, in the following thread:

 

http://www.bluegrasspreps.com/showthread.php?t=105174

 

There is a lot of research that must be done in order to determine the winner in the case of a 3-way district tie for first place.

 

Attempted explanation: If I am reading this correctly,

1. You look at the 8 other teams you played during the regular season (excluding those teams involved in the tie).

2. You narrow that down to only the teams you beat.

3. You assign a point value to those teams based on how many wins they had during their season. (i.e. They have 6 wins = you get 6 pts.)

4. You then get to choose the 4 teams, who, when added together, will give you the highest point total. Again excluding the teams involved in the tie.

5. Whichever team involved in the tie has the highest point total becomes the No. 1 seed, 2nd highest is the No. 2 seed, and so on.

 

This research is so involved, I'll wait until it's a reality and necessary. No, I'll probably defer to the powers that be and except their wisdom.

 

Bottom line:A win by Manual will raise some very interesting possibilities!

Forget about the playoffs.

This is Male/Manual.

 

GO RAMS!!

BEAT MALE!

The Old rivalry has enough riding on the line without any playoff implications. Male's Offense seems unstoppable at this point, and Manual will have to fight with everything they have but that is what this game is about!!

GO RAMS!

BEAT MALE!

:ylsuper: GO CRIMSONS!! :ylsuper:

 

In terms of innate talent, Male holds all the cards, but as the X game showed last week, the Dawgs are not used to having to play for 4 Quarters. Manual, on the other hand has had to scratch and claw every quarter for almost every game. In doing so, the Crimsons have exceeded everyone's expectations in getting to a 6-3 record this year. Don't sell this Ram team short! :thumb:

This game is a credit to both schools and the long standing tradition of the rivalry. Looking for some info. When did the series start ? Was it ever stopped for a year or two? What is the series record? What was the last year the game was played on Turkey Day? I would love for that to still be the case. I would probably make a 1:00 pm kick off of T-Day. Great tradition. Would love to here some stories about classic games!!!!

The series started in 1893, one year after Manual split from a department of Male. The series was played twice a year at first because there were not many other schools playing football. In fact Male was actually forbidden to play the first game because Male didn't have a football team they had an Athletic Club that played many sports, and the principle of Male thought football was too brutish a sport. His well known quote was something like "You are not to play that team, but if you do and you lose then you are all expelled." Male won the first meeting 14-12 when Robert Brennan tackled his brother, Thomas, when he was about to score a winning run for Manual and the Rivalry was born a battle of brothers. The series ended for a short time during the years of the First World War when Louisville consolidated the two schools. into Louisville Boys Consolidated. They then split again after 3 years. All the football team stayed with Male and the freshmen of the newly reopened Manual Training High bravely stood up to take the beating of a lifetime and renewed the rivalry and lost 81-0, then those same kids went on to beat an undefeated Male team in a blow out taking revenge for the beating they took the years before.

The teams play for a small wooden barrel, painted Red with a white M on one side and purple with a gold H on the other.

This game is a credit to both schools and the long standing tradition of the rivalry. Looking for some info. When did the series start ? Was it ever stopped for a year or two? What is the series record? What was the last year the game was played on Turkey Day? I would love for that to still be the case. I would probably make a 1:00 pm kick off of T-Day. Great tradition. Would love to here some stories about classic games!!!!

 

The series started in 1893 when (Male) High School and the recently founded Manual Training High School met for the first time on the gridiron. Male's Bobby Brennan tackled his brother Tom just short of the goal line to preserve a 14-12 win. Up until 1899, the schools played a best of three series, although only three years did the annual series require the third game as a tiebreaker. From 1915-1918, the series was suspended as the two schools were consolidated into Louisville Boys High School in the then brand new Male High School building at 911 South Brook (boys enrolled in the manual training program took their vocational courses in the original Manual building at the corner of Brook and Oak, which meant that they had to walk four blocks south in all kinds of weather!). Both of these buildings still stand. In 1919, the Louisville School Board realized the error of its ways and re-divided High School and Manual. Most of the best players stayed at Male, and the result on Thanksgiving Day, 1919 was an 81-0 thumping of Manual! Over the next 50 years, the two programs battled back and forth for the upper hand (always on Thanksgiving Day), with Manual dominating the 1930s and winning five straight from 1938 to 1942 and Male winning eight of ten in the 1950s and seven of ten in the 1960s. The 1966 game was played at Fairgrounds Stadium (AKA old Cardinal Stadium) and attracted a crowd of 22,000. Manual had just won the state 3A championship two weeks before over Butler, but lost the Turkey Day game to Male 20-6. The series fell on hard times from the 1970s through early 1980s, as population shifts to the suburbs, the collapse of the Louisville City Schools, and court-ordered busing threw both schools into a period of turmoil (Male more so than Manual as far as football was concerned). The tradition of the Thanksgiving Day game came to an end in 1980, in a 6-0 Manual win before a paltry 2,500 spectators. The 100th Male/Manual game was played on October 27, 1984. In 1988, Manual defeated Male twice in one season for the first time since 1899, when the Crimsons shut out Male 28-0 in the regular season and again won in overtime 21-14 in the 4A playoffs. Although Manual last won in 2001, the Rivalry has enjoyed a competitive resurgence the last two seasons. In 2004, Male placekicker Richard Fangman booted a 30yd FG with 20.6 seconds left to secure a 24-23 win. Last year Fangman kicked a 21 yarder with 4.2 seconds to seal a 31-28 win.

 

Male is 78-39-6 all time against Manual. You can review the year by year game results here:

 

http://home.insightbb.com/~malebulldogfootball/MaleRecordsvsOpponents1893to2005.pdf

 

Phew. I'm going to bed.

I wonder if Fangman realizes he's become a historical landmark in the series?

I wonder if Fangman realizes he's become a historical landmark in the series?

Yesh he really has become our Bucky Dent.:irked:

Thanks guys for the insight. This city needs to recognize the contributions of all the players, coaches, administrators etc. over the years for the role that these games played in the history of the local community. Just think how many Thanksgiving dinners were planned around these games. Maybe the CJ will do a special section on the history of the game.