If the votes were on unmarked ballots, it was done so to insure that no school would have to account for its vote. Not only hypocrites but hypocrites with neither principle nor backbone.

Or don't want to be dragged through the mud by an emotional group that will be media darlings.

 

In our attack, attack until you render from limb to limb media world, I wouldn't want to put myself in that position either.

 

Also, it protects the voters from feeling undue pressure both personally and politically from the private school supporters and rather lets them cast the vote honestly the way they feel instead of bowing to a group because they threaten to sue. That is not our American way although DC seems to play it that way.

 

It does go both ways.

Whether the arguments from either side is right or wrong, cant the privates just see they are not wanted by the publics in the condition the rules are now? Last year the KHSAA member schools voted for a split between the two. Big margin for that. After debate the KHSAA and BOE decided that was not what was best. That brought up this last set of votes. Other states have already separated the classes. This will be a never ending argument till separation. I mean the public schools have pretty much said we want our own class by a huge majority. The privates should just say , Ok if you dont want us then we will have our own class. Till this happens, the arguments will never cease. Who is right and who is wrong? Thats according to who you talk to.

The privates should just say , Ok if you dont want us then we will have our own class. Till this happens, the arguments will never cease. Who is right and who is wrong? Thats according to who you talk to.

 

 

Who exactly would X and T play against in every sport? Each other?

Who exactly would X and T play against in every sport? Each other?

So are you saying that private school supporters are against it because it would hurt these two schools so it must not be good. Irregardless of what it does for the other private schools????

So are you saying that private school supporters are against it because it would hurt these two schools so it must not be good. Irregardless of what it does for the other private schools????

 

 

Stop putting words in my mouth. You know I didnt say that.

Stop putting words in my mouth. You know I didnt say that.

Wanted to give you the opportunity to say that.:thumb:

I wonder about the legal implications because it is nearly impossible to enact this Prop without exceptions.

 

For example, in NKY Southgate Ind. school district has no high school but does have a K-8 school. Currently, graduates go to multiple high schools in the NKY area (public and private) and I believe they even host an "open house" of sorts where high schools can come and basically recruit students.

 

Now I would imagine that an 8th grader from Southgate could attend Highlands or Newport (or maybe even a private school NewCath since many Southgate school families are members of St. Therese parish) and not have to sit out a year since they have no high school...................but a 8th grade student from Holy Trinity in Newport where they actually live and pay taxes would have to sit out a year by going to Newport as a Freshman?

 

I'm not a lawyer and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night, but seems to me legal ramifications abound.

I wonder about the legal implications because it is nearly impossible to enact this Prop without exceptions.

 

For example, in NKY Southgate Ind. school district has no high school but does have a K-8 school. Currently, graduates go to multiple high schools in the NKY area (public and private) and I believe they even host an "open house" of sorts where high schools can come and basically recruit students.

 

Now I would imagine that an 8th grader from Southgate could attend Highlands or Newport (or maybe even a private school NewCath since many Southgate school families are members of St. Therese parish) and not have to sit out a year since they have no high school...................but a 8th grade student from Holy Trinity in Newport where they actually live and pay taxes would have to sit out a year by going to Newport as a Freshman?

 

I'm not a lawyer and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night, but seems to me legal ramifications abound.

 

I agree and seems to be a concern for the BOC President too.

 

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061020/SPT0302/610200414/1068/SPT

 

"I've got some concerns there," said board of control president Gary Dearborn. "You're really dealing with school choice, and I don't know whether or not we've got enough money to defend (a lawsuit) in federal court. It's going to be a real tough decision for (the board)."

 

It does seem sad that sometimes good things (not saying this is a good thing just making a point) can't get put into place because you can't afford the legal battle that will result before you can enact that good thing.

 

BTW, I am not sure this is an issue of school choice but the ability to be in an extracurricular activity. I could see the argument on both sides of the issue and it will be interesting to see where this falls.

 

I would expect the BOC to pass this on WITHOUT their support.

 

Is that not the next step? BOC either supports or sends on to KY BOE without support.

 

I would anticipate no support and it dying at KY BOE at the threat of costly lawsuits.

How will it effect it that athletics is a privilege and not a right. In the required drug testing cases that have gone to the Supremes, they ruled on schools being able to require drug testing because athletics is a privilege and not a right of students. I too like to player a lawyer on BGP but I act like Jerry Springer dances so I don't really know, just wondering.

 

I can't speak for Sexton but do believe the jumping all over the place during their 4 years of HS has gotten out of hand. People can claim academics and family moves but when we get in the privacy of our own homes, we all know that it was because of athletics.

I remember hearing about a case a while ago that pointed to something towards the fact that you would have a right to "try out". It seemed from what I remember is that there were unreasonable boundaries to trying out. If the boundaries were reasonable, that of course didn't fly in court. Maybe a Judge rules this proposal is an unreasonable boundary to trying out.

 

Of course, my memory could be wrong. If so, I apologize.

Question for those legal BGP experts or at least just those of you who slept at a Holiday Inn last night.

 

Let's say I was a voter and I voted in favor of this proposal. Could they then include my name on the lawsuit, costing each individual who would have supported this issue legal fees?? As well as the individual districts who would have supported this issue?

 

If so, that would seem to be a reasonable reason to not include who voted for it based on districts. If there is going to be a lawsuit, let the KHSAA and I would guess the KY BOE handle it rather than each individual district.

A lawsuit would not include the individual schools who voted for the proposal- assuming that they had sufficient backbone to go on record. Hiding behind unmarked ballots is not an indication of courage.

Presently, does the commissioner do the investigation? KHSAA's lawyers?

Question for those legal BGP experts or at least just those of you who slept at a Holiday Inn last night.

Another one for the Holiday Inn crew. I am speaking of the sports like cross country, swimming, tennis, and track. Could a school field a "club" team and a Khsaa team similar to the club sports volleyball, ice hockey and lacrosse for those athletes that are freshmen?

Since they are not recognized by KHSAA, they would not have jurisdiction. Any Perry Mason wannabes please chime in.

Whether the arguments from either side is right or wrong, cant the privates just see they are not wanted by the publics in the condition the rules are now? Last year the KHSAA member schools voted for a split between the two. Big margin for that. After debate the KHSAA and BOE decided that was not what was best. That brought up this last set of votes. Other states have already separated the classes. This will be a never ending argument till separation. I mean the public schools have pretty much said we want our own class by a huge majority. The privates should just say , Ok if you dont want us then we will have our own class. Till this happens, the arguments will never cease. Who is right and who is wrong? Thats according to who you talk to.

Our kids are just as much citizens of this commonwealth as public school kids, so thank you very much, we'll stay.

Another one for the Holiday Inn crew. I am speaking of the sports like cross country, swimming, tennis, and track. Could a school field a "club" team and a Khsaa team similar to the club sports volleyball, ice hockey and lacrosse for those athletes that are freshmen?

Since they are not recognized by KHSAA, they would not have jurisdiction. Any Perry Mason wannabes please chime in.

 

This may be the loophole that is needed. None of the local teams really want to play the private schools at the lower level anyway. So the Rock should start a "club-level" football program for first years students. They could play X and a number of out of state teams to fill out a schedule. Sounds like a plan to me.