I have noticed that Niece doesn’t play a ton. I wonder if Steiner has him on some type of schedule since he is a frosh? I understand that at the beginning of the year. It seems time to let the kid play unless he needs a break or is in foul trouble. Kelly is gonna be special!!

Funny and the truth.

 

Nobody made an excuse about last night but we will all let you cherish your “we beat Cooper for the second time in 8 tries in a meaningless game trophy”. Keep pounding that chest.

 

No excuses from the Cooper squad as they play with who they have available. SK won, got congratulated for it. Move on as I’m sure Coach Steiner and the team has.

Just checked to see Robinson's season long stats to see how much SK was missing in this huge upset. Low and behold, SK has once again failed to update stats at KHSAA since 12/28. Last year pulled same stunt and went multiple weeks. Don't understand this from a school with so many bodies. Come on Pioneers, some of us old BB junkies need this info to get our fix.

Let's focus on what happened in the game, please. Personal remarks start sounding like rule 2 violations and it's too early in the morning for me to want to deal with those.

Just checked to see Robinson's season long stats to see how much SK was missing in this huge upset. Low and behold, SK has once again failed to update stats at KHSAA since 12/28. Last year pulled same stunt and went multiple weeks. Don't understand this from a school with so many bodies. Come on Pioneers, some of us old BB junkies need this info to get our fix.

 

8 points a game and leading rebounder.

Niece: "He's a Diaper Dandy, Baby!"

What is wrong with Kunkel? Just seen a Facebook video of him doing box jumps at ASAP the other day?

 

That was an old video of Kunk back in the summer I am pretty sure. I know that he broke his nose in Lex Cath tournament. Not sure if it’s from that or not l

Key moment in the game with about 1 minute remaining, Cooper down 2 with the ball. Call timeout. Put 6 kids on the court and got tech foul. Neice hits both free throws to put them up 4 and they get the ball. Felt bad for players and coach. Simple miscommunication that cost them points at key moment.

Wow! I don't care who plays or does not play. If your team shoots 63.6% from the field and within that 81.8% from the 3 point line. You should and deserve to win the game.

Key moment in the game with about 1 minute remaining, Cooper down 2 with the ball. Call timeout. Put 6 kids on the court and got tech foul. Neice hits both free throws to put them up 4 and they get the ball. Felt bad for players and coach. Simple miscommunication that cost them points at key moment.

 

Coming out of a timeout the officials have to share part of the blame. It's obviously on the coach and players but I often see officials counting players out of a timeout and if there are six they don't put the ball in play until a player leaves. Even worse with 1 minute remaining.

Coming out of a timeout the officials have to share part of the blame. It's obviously on the coach and players but I often see officials counting players out of a timeout and if there are six they don't put the ball in play until a player leaves. Even worse with 1 minute remaining.

 

I disagree, but more on principal than what really happens. If the refs are counting, it is not to remind any team they have too many players. I would expect them to count so if as the ball is put in play and one team has 6 players they make the right call to assess a technical. To me, that is all on the coaching staff and players. The refs should take no blame unless they fail to make the appropriate call of too many players on the court. They should NOT in my opinion be a safety net for the staff or any of the teams. Just my thoughts, maybe in games they actually provide that safety net. I just don't feel they should.

The exception is if they see a kid running to get off the court and they decide to put the ball in play just to blow the whistle. That would be on the refs. But they should not give a heads up the team has too many players or sit around and wait until it is recognized. What was the case with Cooper? Was a kid trying to hustle off and they put it in play just to assess the technical?

I disagree, but more on principal than what really happens. If the refs are counting, it is not to remind any team they have too many players. I would expect them to count so if as the ball is put in play and one team has 6 players they make the right call to assess a technical. To me, that is all on the coaching staff and players. The refs should take no blame unless they fail to make the appropriate call of too many players on the court. They should NOT in my opinion be a safety net for the staff or any of the teams. Just my thoughts, maybe in games they actually provide that safety net. I just don't feel they should.

 

If that's your theory then fine. I don't think that's why more officials are counting. They're counting to prevent 6 on the floor. If your theory was true you would hear the whistle blow as soon as the ball was made live by handing it to the player throwing in the ball. That doesn't happen. Always happens after the play starts and they see a player by himself and it looking odd. It's ultimately the job of Coach Sullivan and the Cooper Jags but the officials IMO missed this at a really bad time.

Just checked to see Robinson's season long stats to see how much SK was missing in this huge upset. Low and behold, SK has once again failed to update stats at KHSAA since 12/28. Last year pulled same stunt and went multiple weeks. Don't understand this from a school with so many bodies. Come on Pioneers, some of us old BB junkies need this info to get our fix.

 

@Oldercoach stats are now posted. Robinson averages 8/7.

If that's your theory then fine. I don't think that's why more officials are counting. They're counting to prevent 6 on the floor. If your theory was true you would hear the whistle blow as soon as the ball was made live by handing it to the player throwing in the ball. That doesn't happen. Always happens after the play starts and they see a player by himself and it looking odd. It's ultimately the job of Coach Sullivan and the Cooper Jags but the officials IMO missed this at a really bad time.

 

Colonel Pops, not trying to be a know it all and we each can have different thoughts on this and be right in our own mind. My theory would still be true because they can't blow the whistle after they hand over the ball. By rule the clock and violation would not occur until the ball is thrown in and touched by a player from either team, not when the ref hands it over to be thrown in. The clock starts after being touched on the throw in. That is when the whistle has to be blown and not before.

I have been an assistant and given the responsibility to count players after time outs and quarters begin. As a rule that should always be delegated and someone doing that. Mistakes happen and these are kids so I put more blame on the staff than anyone, but they make mistakes too. I also blame the team's fans behind the bench. Somebody should have been noticing it and hollering like crazy so the staff could have corrected it. I have been the fan that did that and perhaps saved my favorite team the technical. The head coach sort of looked at me weird, but it did not look like anyone on his staff or team were calling the extra kid off so I figure he should have thanked me.

If the refs had notified Cooper kids or coaching staff to avoid the technical, as the opposing coach I would have been upset and thought it was not right they did so. Again, just my opinion and we can each feel differently.